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Well, it's deep into winter blend season, and prices on E10 are low enough that even at 4 cents less, you'd be better off buying E15.  So my local Family Express reduced the spread to 2 cents between E10 and E15. :(  More E10 for me, $2.189 a gallon with perks card!

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Another couple of E15 stations opened here in the past few days, both Family Video locations turned into Family Express spots, and one of the stores is selling E10 at $1.819.  With the usual FE Grand Opening 10 cent per gallon discount, that pushes the price down to $1.719.  Another couple of cents lower and a 3 cent discount for E15 would be energy-neutral.  I will have to swing by and check what the spread is, it could be 5 cents, but it could be 2 cents, Family Express has been known to do both.

My local E15 station is the Family Express in Saint John.  They only have the Regular 88/E15 price on their big LED sign, and seemingly are basing their midgrade and premium prices off of their E15 price (+25 cents, +50 cents), and then pricing E10 2 cents more than E15.  They are trying hard to make E15 "happen".  It'd happen faster if they'd price it correctly!

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Yep, 5 cents!  Most Family Express stations have a 5 cent spread.  I think there's one in Indy with a 10 cent spread, even my Saint John location was at a 5 cent spread when it opened.  The Casey's maintains a 5 cent spread, as does the Murphy's in the area.  I'm seeing more and more FE spots doing the 2 cent spread, and as the prices are set at corporate, it must be some sort of price experiment.  The Thornton's stations in the area are also going with a 2 cent spread.

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Finally seeing prices from the Griffith Family Express, I think it's actually open now!: http://www.garygasprices.com/Family_Express_Gas_Stations/Griffith/198316/index.aspx

Looks like E10 is priced 25 cents less than midgrade, and 50 cents less than premium, which implies that E15 is 5 cents less than E10.  Other FE stations price their E15 instead at 25 cents less than midgrade and 50 cents below premium, with their E10 +2 cents more than E15.  With the perks card 10 cent grand opening discount, that puts E15 down at 1.94, which is slightly better than 1.98 E10 in BTU/dollar.  Lowest price in the region for E10 is 1.99, might be time to buy some E15 again!

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Jumped the gun there, the Griffith East Family Express had their open house this week on Tuesday and Wednesday, and finally opened for real yesterday/Thursday.  I don't expect prices to be low there since Family Express raised all prices chain-wide on Monday to $2.699 for E10 and $2.099 for flex-fuel/E85, which I think is 70% this time of year.  E15 prices they are still experimenting with, sometime 2 cents less, sometimes 5 cents less.  Sometimes E10 is their "base" price at $2.699, sometimes E15 is their base price pushing E10 to $2.719.  I did swing by the open house for the free food at least and they do sell E15 as Regular 88: Family Express pump at Griffith East

Casey's flex-fuel was $1.849, which was the best deal I could find in the area, their E15 is prices at 5 cents below E10, as always.

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I have been using this fuel exclusively, and still do. I used to blend up to E30 to E40 for many years, but I have gotten lazy in the past couple of years. For now, until I get an FFV, Kwik Trip's E-15 will do. Although, the "unleaded 88" name they came up with kind of got them in trouble because they sort of got accused of trying to mislead consumers. Me as an ethanol advocate knew what they meant, but regular consumers didn't.

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https://www.hoosieragtoday.com/epa-allows-year-round-sales-e15/   Now if only there were more price-competitive places to buy E15 around here versus E10.  I think I have just one Casey's that has E15 at 5 cents less than regular.  Family Express switched to 2 cent or 3 cent spreads on E15 at all the stations I've been by recently.  They are pushing E15 as the new normal fuel, the E15 price being the only price on single-price signs, etc.

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Prices starting to rise in the Calumet Region, Family Express pushing $3.199 per gallon of E10.  That means E15 with a 2 cent discount still isn't worth buying.  E15 with even an 5 cent discount isn't worth buying, we're into 5.5 cent discount range (which I doubt I will see, all prices end in 9.  I saw 70% E85 at 1.840 once, probably a typo).  I guess I could bust out my formula, and get the exact break-even discount, but is there a quick estimate I could use instead?  I think I've thought of one.  As a bonus, you can use it for my favorite miles per dollar challenge, the IBEC ethanol pump: http://www.ibecethanol.com/

Ethanol/E100 has about 2/3 of the energy of pure gasoline/E0.  This is the same as 40/60 (just multiply by 1 or 20/20).  Put it another way, your gallon of pure gasoline has 60 units of energy.  Pure ethanol, 40 units.  So 5% or 1/20 of a gallon of E0 has 3 units, and 5% or 1/20 of a gallon of E100 has 2 units.  What about E10?  2 of those 20 3 unit E0 sections are now 2 unit E100 sections, one less unit of energy per ethanol unit.  60 - 2 is 58.  E15 would have 3 units swapped from gas to ethanol, so 3 fewer units, 57.  So you'd want your E15 to cost 57/58 the price of E10.  $3.199 *(57/58) is $3.144, or 5.5 cents less than the E10 price, fairly close, I think!

And the IBEC challenge?  The goal is the minimize dollars spent per unit of fuel energy.  E15 has 57 units, E30 has 54 units, E50 has 50 units (halfway between 40 and 60, seems right!) and E85 would have a mere 43 units.  Now it's just division.  2.699/57 is 4.74 cents per unit, 2.499/54 is 4.63 cents per unit, 2.299/50 is 4.60 cents per unit and 1.849/43 is 4.30 cents per unit.  E85 wins!

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