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I have a 2013 Model S with the 85kw battery.  On a daily charge (which they recommend) at 90% I have 229 rated miles.  On a full charge, it is currently 255.  In the winter it is less because you use battery to heat the car (no waste heat from a conventional engine), and may lose about 25% range in the winter.  Range is never an issue because I plug in my car every night and wake up with my battery at 90% charge.  I feel this is the one thing that most people overlook, is that you refuel your car at home. 

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I traded my first gen Volt for a new one so have 52 miles of EV range during warm weather, but seeing 31 miles lately due to sub-zero temps. Haven't touched the tune on it yet and enjoying driving EV every day. I considered going with a Bolt, but Premiers were over 200 miles away and to drive it home in sub zero temps could have been an all night drive, which I wasn't ready for yet. Next time around I'm going to consider a used Model X. 

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Hi Billy,

 

Yes, rear seats easily fold down (hatchback) and the battery is bigger in 2016, but nothing after. This Volt has a 40% bigger battery than my 12 Volt and is rated for 52 miles. I've hauled a lot of stuff in my Volt.

 

There's supposed to be a refresh in 2019, which usually brings minor appearance changes, but possibly could also introduce an increased battery.

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With almost 178,000 miles on my 2005 Ford Escape Hybrid, I'm due for a new ride in the next few years.  Will be looking for a PHEV, hopefully rated near and/or above 40mpg on highway with fold down seats to carry things I use and need.  Many new PHEV models are arriving in the next two/three years.

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Got my AWD Model 3 about 6 weeks ago and all I can say is, "AWESOME". I don't understand why I didn't reserve one years sooner, considering the $1k was refundable. OTOH, I would not have wanted the RWD version considering we have winter for a large chunk of the year.

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I finally got back on this site after being locked out for multiple months.  During this vacation I picked up a Ford C-Max Energi at 35% off the sticker with all 301 miles on it!   Rated at 21 miles of EV driving but that can go up and down depending upon weather and driving style/conditions.   Basically switch between auto EV (computer controlled between EV and ICE) for slower and in town driving and EV later for faster speeds and hills.   7kWh battery but real usable amount is like 5.6 kWh.  Cabin cooled battery doesn't work the best when it is really hot during the summer months.   Some owners in warm states have significantly degraded their battery due to heat and excess driving in EV.   Have a E85 add on kit for the ICE and can run around E50 before the check engine light comes on.      Tesla continues to look interesting especially with their network of superchargers.   However, customer service and quality control issue exist as report in the forums that I sometimes frequent.     TD, what range hit do you occur with the winter weather?  I'm assuming 25%.

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I had a '12 Volt and on a whim (with deadline for tax credit approaching) in December 2017, picked up an '18 Volt. Even though it had everything except adaptive cruise control, I was disappointed in the lack of tech. It was pretty nice having a battery 50% bigger than my 12 and "hold" mode (switch to ice at any time) that I didn't have on my '12 was also nice. I don't know why the Tesla wasn't on my radar at the time as I should have put money down at that time instead of trading in a 10 month old Volt on one.

I've got the dual motor (AWD) with winter tires and ground clearance is about a half an inch less than my wife's Buick Encore and it goes anywhere. Acceleration on packed snow is almost as good as dry pavement. Pretty awesome snow machine.

I charge to 70% every night to keep the battery warm, but 80 to 90% for road trips. I've charged to 100% maybe 3 times, first at home and twice at a supercharger (same trip, both ways) last fall. That's my longest stretch to the big city until they start adding SC's again next spring. I have about 3,100 miles on the odo with zero battery degradation.

A recent 50 mile road trip with speeds of 60 to 65 mph at ~10°F (no wind), starting at 148 miles range and 63 when I arrived home, so 85 miles used to drive 50. I generally allow twice that battery I need for a winter road trip. I also lost about 12 miles of range while parked for 3 hours, about the same I lose on a typical cold work day.

Regarding superchargers, if you leave a stall between you and the next car, you get a higher charge rate. The charge starts to slow down as the battery gets full, maybe around 80% (??), but no problem going to 100%. Some locations charge more for the higher %, but my biggest bill was that fall trip and ~$11 for maybe 3/4 of a battery, so pretty cheap. The phone app lets you know when you've reached your set point, but you can change it from the app. The SC's are always near a place to eat and it's easy to just let it keep going while eating. If the location is busy you might need to move the car to avoid an idle fee, but the one location I've frequented has maybe 8 stalls and I've never seen more than 3 of us there.

Tesla's don't like cold batteries, maybe because they're built in California? A cold battery after leaving work on a 15°F or colder day means greatly decreased acceleration (grandma mode) and no regen (lots of coasting). The downgrade from an electric sports car is quite humiliating. Thankfully no one has tried to race me on a cold day. All this talk of friction brakes lasting forever don't take winter use into account. You get used to letting regen slow so don't decel until close to a stop, then end up using more brakes than you would in a ice vehicle.

E50 is about the max I got with my '09 Ford Escape hybrid before adding a conversion kit to it. Due to the engine not warming up fully for my short commute and E85 producing less heat, I found I had to change my synthetic oil around 7k miles (if I remember correctly). I had it analyzed quite often. I would have thought the weekly road trips (100 to 500 miles) would have cleaned it up.

I had ZERO issues with fitment and only  a couple of very minor paint issues, nothing worth getting fixed. My only complaint is a nasty howling noise during blow dry at car washes that for all I know might be my rear license plate. And I'm the only one who's about that. Bear in mind that Teslas have the highest rate of satisfaction and you're only seeing the complaints in forums. There's a reason why they're the only car that's selling in the US and Tesla doesn't advertise. Don't take a test drive or you'll be hooked. My only software issue (no autopilot) was taken care of remotely by techs 250 miles away and we have a local ranger that takes care of repairs onsite, although I've never met or needed him. I get OTA updates every couple of weeks and autopilot is pretty awesome.

Sounds like you got a nice deal on your C-Max. I was interested in them when I had the Escape and EV mode was limited to maybe 2 miles with very light throttle and under 40 mph, but being able to drive all week with full acceleration and as fast as I wanted to go with the Volt without using the gas engine was awesome. The problem was I hated city driving on gas, which is why I wanted a full-time EV.

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Thanks for the reply.   It seems as if the AWD Tesla has sufficient ground clearance for snow.   I'm likely headed/moving to northern Wisconsin for retirement within 1.5 to 2.5 years.  I need to have a vehicle to handle 2 to 3 inches of snow on the road and ground clearance is one of my thoughts. (I enjoy Nordic skiing and occasional downhill skiing).    I still have the Escape Hybrid now with 183,000 miles on it and it works well in winter conditions as it is 4wd capable.  My CMax is low to the ground and with the stock tires (doesn't make sense to obtain winter tires if I still have my Escape Hybrid), probably not the best for real winter conditions.   From what I recently read, Ford and VW are now going to share VW's BEM (battery electric modular) platform for future EV.   Could be interesting to see what new battery electric vehicles arrive in the future.  Tesla is suppose to bring out the "Y" (smaller crossover based upon the 3 series) late in 2019 and this might be an option for me if it can provide over 300 miles of EV range.    I wonder if the Tesla allows one to degrade performance (0-60 time) for improved battery range?

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