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Is the RFA simply against E85 ?

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But as consumers have driven less and automobiles have become more efficient, the need for fuel has dropped, making it harder for the annual ethanol requirements to be met as refiners hit the blend wall. Most fuel today contains 10 percent ethanol. Higher-grade blends, such as E15 or E85, have not grown fast enough to absorb more ethanol to meet the congressional mandate. The EPA has said there are not enough pumps and other infrastructure in place to absorb more than 10 percent ethanol.

 

As a result, greater efficiency and limited infrastructure have kept demand lower than it otherwise might have been, leading to a bump up against the blend wall — a factor the agency cited in its proposal.

 

Dinneen said Congress did not include infrastructure as a factor in setting the blend levels. By including the blend wall and infrastructure challenges into the process, that “is the minute you turn the RFS over to the oil companies because they are the ones that get to control that, how much infrastructure is used and whether they want to provide the market access of our fuel to the consumer,” he said. “History has demonstrated time and time again that they would do everything in their power to prevent that from happening.”

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That's the point the EPA is using..there isn't enough Infrastructure to get past the Blend wall..and they are 100% CORRECT

 

 

 

 

The RFA simply wants to do an end around and say we don't need infrastructure e..they simply want to replace E10 with E15 and says it's ok for every vehicle to run on E15...

 

 

Anything as long as they get the gravy without actually investing in E85 infrastructure

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We've said it over and over and over again.. Ethanols Market IS limited by Infrastructure And FFV Mandate

 

 

 

 

The EPA is correct on this ...

 

 

Ethanol want more Market share then that is where your Lobby needs to be ..Infrastructure and a FFV Mandate

 

 

 

 

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  ACE is more able to accept E85, than RFA.  I saw this during a few of the

 

  ethanol conferences I attended during 2006-07.  No mention of E85 in any of

 

  the discussion hosted by RFA . 

 

  Maybe this is a reflection of the  Ag community.  Willing to accept a fair price

 

  for their product .  Not necessarily concerned about how it is used.

 

  E85 needs a national airing. Not just the day or 2 it gets during Earth Day.

 

    It would be great to point to a  wide array of vehicles capable of running E85 at

 

  close to parity fuel mileage as gas.  Auto companies could do this, but are not opting to.

 

    A carbon tax might go quite a way toward solving this , if properly implemented.

 

  -- but , not with THIS congress...

 

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I agree with pretty much all of what you said Greengenes. ACE has always been the more on track organization and a side bonus for ethanol producers- it was also more affordable to be a member of (at least when I was in the industry).

As far as vehicles- I said from the beginning that we needed better FFV's first, then more- not more FFVs then better. The poor ones (especially those early algorithm type sensing) really turned people off with problems and poor mpg spreads to gas.

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