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Thanks for the link. To bad us Americans can't be as smart as the Finnish people. Here is some info.

 

Commercialising Finnish technology

 

The key [sustainable] feature of the Etanolix technology is that it allows dispersed bioethanol production. Small ethanol production facilities [with an annual production capacity of 1m+ litres of ethanol] allow waste materials to be converted in-situ – rather than the waste being transported to a large central facility [or to a landfill site].

 

The product produced at the distributed plants is 85% ethanol. It is transported to St1’s central dehydration plant in Hamina where it is upgraded to over 99.5% ethanol and then blended with petrol to produce the final transportation fuel.

 

http://theenergycollective.com/andrewwcox/60246/finnish-waste-wheel-technology

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Thanks for the link. To bad us Americans can't be as smart as the Finnish people. ...

 

It's not a question of smarts, it's a question of economics.  Heck, the US probably invented the technology and gave it away.  But when you pay the equivalent of around $6/gallon for fuel and have the 9th highest income taxes in the world, suddenly it's feasible to make ethanol from practically anything.

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I have a 2004 Saab Aero 2T. I was told by a USA based tuner/Saab tech that mine was made in a 6 month window when GM did not use the Trionic ECU. Any idea how to confirm this?

 

Never heard any other than trionic ??

So is the engine 2,0 or 2,3 liter? in here aeros are only 2,3 liter.

 

can you give me by pm your car v.i.n number?

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Corey, does this mean he just used somebody else's technology.

A new production process to convert a range of organic waste and biomass into ethanol was developed by Dr Antti Pasanen while he was working as a research scientist at VVT - the Technical Research Centre of Finland. The technology utilises advanced fermentation technology to breakdown a range of waste materials to produce ethanol, carbon dioxide and a solid residue.

Also, if we figure the cost of military protecting oil interests, wouldn't our fuel possibly cost $6. Did you guys see this video? The plane was hauling 5 armored vehicles that are IED proof.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57582226/dramatic-video-appears-to-show-747-crash-in-afghanistan/

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Well, it does say he developed 'the process' but doesn't mention where the underlying technology comes from.  I've developed a 'process' for tuning my car on ethanol, though I would be pretty hard pressed to write the software, build the computers chips, etc.

 

I would also point out, this appears to be the same Dr. Pasanen mentioned on here before:  http://e85vehicles.com/e85/index.php?topic=4938.0  The claim at that time was a production system built into a 40 foot shipping container which had a capacity about 3000x what one would expect from a field of corn, yet it's been two years and that technology doesn't seem to be in production anywhere.  Maybe its stored somewhere with the microfueler which also seems to be MIA.

 

No doubt our fuel has great 'cost' associated with it...probably even more than $6.00.  Though that doesn't get directly figured into what the profit the producer makes when selling the fuel.  That comes down to the 'price' at the pump...well that and government subsidies, rebates, tax breaks, etc.  But as I said in my earlier post, when the 'price' paid at the pump is into the $6 range, that opens up quite a bit of options on the production side. 

 

Perhaps our Finnish friends can give a closer estimate on the price, but in searching, I see around 10 SEK/L which works out in the high 5's to $6.00/ gallon.  So regardless of the underlying 'cost' if I can take a gallon of fuel to market and sell it for $6, that opens up a lot of opportunity for feedstock and processes vs selling it in the US for $3 which necessitates cheap feedstock and a very low cost production method.

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i think (not know for sure, i believe it's made in VTT which is our goverment research center) that tech is ours and st1 i just making it for real...

 

in here on liter of 98e which have amount 5 procent alcohol cost 1,586 euros

and E85 cost approx 1,066

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Thanks Turboapc for the prices. If I figured right, your 5% ethanol is about $7.86 USD and E85 is $5.25 per US gallon. Maybe we are "smarter" when we pay less at the pump and actually pay for it somewhere else. ::)

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