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MIT conference ..Toyota wants nothing to do with E85

 

 

"But Stricker believes that to make a very robust vehicle it would cost much more. Showing a page from another automaker’s owner’s manual, it said that the vehicle may not run very well using the fuel mix in cold temperatures and if that’s the case to fill up with gasoline.

 

“This is what you get when you pay $100 per vehicle for the system,” Stricker said. “From Toyota’s perspective, we don’t want to put products out there that we don’t think are robust and can operate problem-free under any conditions.”

 

 

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=17526:&catid=150&Itemid=95#CommentForm

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Guess they aren't seeing the big picture.  Seems like they are saying 'We can't take a gas engine and scab on a $100 retrofit and make it run correctly on E85"

 

What they should be saying is "We CAN design a new engine from the ground up FOR E85, and it will give you the power of a gas engine (or more), and the economy of a diesel, and on a fuel which costs much less than either one."

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Stricker estimated the industry-wide cost to be more like $2.5 billion to $5 billion a year to produce, considering the engineering required for adding methanol capability to current flexible-fueled vehicles and meeting future emissions standards.

 

At that price, Stricker noted, “within about a year you have reached the total investment that the automotive industry has made in hydrogen fuel cell vehicles ever. And that’s a vehicle that uses no petroleum, zero emissions. It’s a lot of money and it takes away a lot of resources that could be used potentially more effectively.”

 

 

In response to that I also submitted a comment that the 2.5 Billion spent on Hydrogen has produced ZERO vehicles ..whereas  2.5 billion would have produced 8 Million flex fuel vehicles..

 

 

 

On one hand the consumer gets nothing ...on the other hand the consumer gets a vehicle that offers them real world OPTION to run Gas, Ethanol or Methanol

 

 

MIT didn't print that comment..at least not yet..been offer an hour

 

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Wonder if MIT bothered to say excuse me Toyota but this is what we have done..

 

 

new car engine developed by scientists at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology could boost fuel efficiency by as much as 30 percent with perfectly-timed injections of ethanol into the cylinders.

 

By suppressing conventional gas combustion within the cylinder with a shot of ethanol, scientists are able to achieve fuel efficiency on par with that of diesel engines. An injection of ethanol will allow a higher compression ratio, the ratio between the volume of the chamber before and after combustion, allowing gas to expand more and release more energy per molecule. The current prototype would situate gasoline and ethanol in separate tanks, mixing ethanol with the gasoline at regular intervals throughout the combustion cycle.

The ethanol boost would also eliminate the loud knocking sound associated with the spontaneous combustion of diesel engines, allowing manufacturers to squeeze both more air and fuel into a cylinder at a given time. The results of which would be an engine that has the quietness and environmental cleanliness of unleaded motors, but the greater efficiency and output of diesel.

 

Such an ethanol-pumped engine would also cost significantly less to implement than current hybrid motors, giving significantly better fuel economy for a fraction of the cost. While gas-electric hybrid engines currently add between $3,000 and $5,000 to the cost of a car, the MIT motor would cost only about $1,000 more. MIT’s engine is also only about half the size and weight of a standard engine, increasing performance and leaving more flexibility for car manufacturers in the design process. Said Daniel Cohn, an engineer at MIT’s Plasma Science and Fusion Center:

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the only way is with an "all of the above, any of the above" approach.  No ONE fuel, or ONE solution can do it.  Do what we can where we can with the technology/feedstock/resources that are most available in that location...

 

Electric/Hybrid/e85/biodiesel/Methanol/CNG/Propane/woodgas...  or any other yet undeveloped technology...

 

Together all of these should be targeted AGAINST gas, not each other.  CNG is not the enemy of ethanol.  Ethanol is not the enemy of electric.  ALL of these are partners against the one true enemy... oil derived gasoline/diesel!

 

These dirty (politically, economically, environmentally) b***stards have had the last 100+ years to firmly grip their fangs and claws into us, and they will NOT let go with out a well coordinated fight with all available parties cooperating together with a common purpose against a common enemy...  (grrr, just riled myself up first thing in the morning... )

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MIT conference ..Toyota wants nothing to do with E85

 

 

"But Stricker believes that to make a very robust vehicle it would cost much more. Showing a page from another automaker’s owner’s manual, it said that the vehicle may not run very well using the fuel mix in cold temperatures and if that’s the case to fill up with gasoline.

 

“This is what you get when you pay $100 per vehicle for the system,” Stricker said. “From Toyota’s perspective, we don’t want to put products out there that we don’t think are robust and can operate problem-free under any conditions.”

 

It's only $50 for a block heater, plug it in 30 minutes before you start the engine in cold weather and up to an hour in below-freezing weather and it'll be fine everytime. Block heaters are small enough to use an extension cord as they're typically only a couple hundred watts, so finding a plug should never be a problem.

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Earth to Toyota:

 

Many flex fuel vehicles have started innumerable times in the winter months, well below 0F, with winter E85 (E70) in their tanks.  It isn't that complicated.  Even my old converted '87 Ford manages to start with E85 at those temperatures.  That's why we have E85; so automakers wouldn't have to install cold start devices.  Duh.

 

For a company that likes to brag how they're smarter than everyone else, they sure look stupid with respect to ethanol.

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