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Baton Rouge has no E85!

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Sullivan Flex Fuel

4727 Florida Blvd

Baton Rouge

 

 

no phone number that I can find for this station...

 

 

The DoE is WAY behind on adding stations to their list... stick with this site... it is the most up to date out there...

 

Please check both of these out, and report prices.  Thanks, and welcome to the forum.

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i think it is about $ 50 000 for small station and the federal goverment has a rebate for E-85 new stations

great idea!

specially with the new revolutions in the Middle East and oil prices soaring again ,Ethanol sounds like the only available alternative

good luck!

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I think that Growth Energy has like $10k grants for new blender pumps.... most states have some sort of matching fund grants, either through their departments of roads/environment/energy/transportation... or the corn/sugar growers boards...

 

It is insane that in Louisiana there is not more e85...

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May stations be complacent? Meaning they currently have little motivation to change as we all put off incurring more work if business is working well.

 

Hopefully, independent gas station owners can learn red tape and benefits from mini session work seminar. Does Growth Energy or some other association finance these? Suppose they work within zone of ethanol producers to maximize E85 station infrastructure for supply vs demand balance. Probably good to motivate small fuel mini marts with new opportunity to increase sales. Good for ethanol sector to reach out to retail with easy compliance and retrofit guidelines. Maybe case history of improved sales.

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Issues that keeps stations from adding E85 are numerous- here are a few;

 

1) financial- the fuel side of the business is usually a net loser. The fuel exists to bring people into the convenience store where margins are 25-35%. A station owner must be convinced to add E85 as a traffic draw to the inside of his store. E85 will have his regulars back more frequently than gas AND bring in new accts- adding to his total gross margin inside. This is where each of you can play a role in education.

2) space- most C-stores do not have space for another tank and island. This means he needs to bow down before his major and beg for mercy to allow him to break the contract to provide all grades of the major brand in order to convert his mid-grade or premium tank.

3) ignorance- why would a C-store owner know any more than the average consumer out there who believe the myths. OR - want to battle with it- knowing he is going to have to train his $8/hr workers and trust they can keep it straight.

4) lack of capital

5) total lack of knowledge of where to buy E85 in a cost competitive way (and in some markets this possibility may still not exist)

6) fear of the unknown, fear of financial risk, a false fear of misfueling, a fear of his jobber.

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outlaw,

 

as far as swapping out mid grade or premium for e85...

 

Equipment wise... would most existing stations (that were NOT contractually forced to by their supplier to offer all grades as you pointed out) be able to just change the pump and use the existing tank?  Or would they have to most likely replace the tank as well?

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http://www.afdc.energy.gov/afdc/laws/laws/LA/tech/3252

Alternative Fuel Vehicle (AFV) and Fueling Infrastructure Tax Credit

 

The state offers an income tax credit worth 20% of the cost of converting a vehicle to operate on an alternative fuel, 20% of the incremental cost of purchasing an Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) AFV or hybrid electric vehicle (HEV), and 20% of the cost of constructing an alternative fueling station. For the purchase of an OEM AFV or HEV, the tax credit cannot exceed 2% of the total cost of the vehicle or $1,500, whichever is less. Only vehicles registered in Louisiana can receive the tax credit. For the purpose of this incentive, alternative fuels include compressed natural gas, liquefied natural gas, liquefied petroleum gas, methanol, ethanol, electricity, and any other fuels which meet or exceed federal clean air standards. (Reference Louisiana Revised Statutes 47:38 and 47:287.757)

 

Advanced Ethanol Fuel Blend Research Grants

 

The Louisiana Department of Agriculture and Forestry (Department) may award demonstration grants for the purchase of fueling infrastructure that can dispense advanced ethanol blends of 10% (E10), 20% (E20), 30% (E30), or 85% (E85), and for conducting research and developing guidelines on this infrastructure. The Department may also award grants to purchase vehicles for the purpose of conducting research on advanced ethanol blends and/or the vehicle while operating on advanced ethanol blends. Advanced ethanol is defined as hydrous or anhydrous ethanol derived from sugar or starch, other than corn starch. Grants are dependent on available funding and further restrictions may apply. (Reference Louisiana Revised Statutes 3:3763)

 

the last line though may be a kicker....

 

Would be nice to have blender pumps popping up in that part of the country! ;)

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outlaw,

 

as far as swapping out mid grade or premium for e85...

 

Equipment wise... would most existing stations (that were NOT contractually forced to by their supplier to offer all grades as you pointed out) be able to just change the pump and use the existing tank?  Or would they have to most likely replace the tank as well?

 

Hard to say for sure- as long as the tank is not single wall fiberglass, then the tank is linkely ok under current rules. Fuel lines- they are the same for gas as E85 in my locations but I used all double wall. Dispenser- this is where it might get complicated by the new UL approvals on E85 dispensers- while a stock dispenser would have worked- it likely would not be allowed for conversion and would most likely need to be a new UL version. It is possible that some states would require additional sensors- WI did but this was to early activate the rules that are now requiring such sensors for all station/ fuel types so what the heck- put is a blender since you have to change it out anyway. ;)

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