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I wasn't referring to geothermal heating and cooling systems. I was referring to geothermal for baselaod electric generation.

 

http://www.geo-energy.org/

 

This was in response to what Dan said...

 

there is no other option that is as safe and environmentally "acceptable"..

 

Having thought about it a bit more I would also suggest electricity produced from methane produced through anaerobic digestion of waste. The EPA and the USDA just announced a program to help livestock producers to turn manure into methane for power generation.

 

http://www.epa.gov/agstar

 

That is one example. Methane collected at sewage treatment plants and landfills would be more examples.

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Same could be said for every "big box store" and strip mall... plop a bunch of solar panels on them, and park a few wind turbines in every parking lot... let the buildings generate some of their own power.

 

The Sam's Club that just opened in Palmdale, CA has 17 micro wind turbines mounted on top of the parking lot light poles.

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The Sam's Club that just opened in Palmdale, CA has 17 micro wind turbines mounted on top of the parking lot light poles.

 

NICE.... 8)

 

 

Thanks for the info Outlaw... sort of figured that was the case.  I would think that this would be a wise place for the government to spend some of their "stimulus $"...  put in provisions that 100% of the parts and components and labor must be American.  Stimulate demand for US made green power infrastructure, stimulate the electrical and construction labor sector...  spread out the electrical generation across the grid, and produce power much cleaner!

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Another NPR discussion, upon a popular show of left environmentalist, experts discussing the Gulf oil leak. Much concern on minimizing our addiction of oil. That would be fossil fuel or better explained as carbon fuel. They exclaim the attraction to oil for transportation fuel as it carries maximum energy for the weight. We will use oil as an interim or transition fuel until battery cars become cost effective and popular. So, it’s only a matter of time. 

 

The new “clean” energy will solve all energy problems. That would be wind energy, maybe some solar. Curiously, they throw in natural gas as clean energy. Well, it’s invisible so must be clean? But, isn’t NG a hydrocarbon fuel? Guess not. These environmentalists explain NG is critical to our conversion to clean energy. How’s that?

 

My guess the green people have it figured out that when the wind stops blowing they still need electricity. Maybe all those battery cars can level out some flux, but a quick gas electric generator needs to come to the rescue sooner or later. You can start and stop NG generators relatively quick compared to nuclear and coal. So, magically NG is not bad after all as they need the fuel for wind power.

 

Notice none of the discussion veered to ethanol. Zero, notta. Not even on the radar screen. It’s oil until battery cars. Natural gas good, ethanol shhhhhh very quiet. So, thinking  clean energy only concerns the grid is a false assumption. It’s directed to replacing transportation fuel. They want small battery cars, charged up with wind power. I guess that would leave trucks to adapt to NG?  And buses for most that can’t afford expensive transportation. That’s a good green societal movement as well as living in huts powered by cow dung.

 

The green people know that after government inflicts tax structure upon energy….magically their ideas win and become cost effective. So, it appears liquid carbon fuels will become the most expensive transportation option. You see, if ethanol merely replaced petro it would jeopardize acceptance of the battery car. This would allow the IC engine to live another day and allow those owners of old cars to keep them running for the next 20-30 years upon ethanol or home brewed ethanol. That would detract from the optimal solution. You see most consumers just not smart enough and may try to make their own decisions. That will not do as planet earth suffers. The polar bear cubs become homeless.   

 

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I always thought that this would be the "ultimate environmental auto"...

 

Plugin-Flexfuel-hybrid compact car...  Imagine how little "hydrocarbon fuel" the average commuting joe would use if they had a Prius or some sort of small compact car, that was plugged in over night (using off peak hours from the grid) with fully charged batteries.  Drive it to work, using mostly batteries, but when they needed charging, the e85 efficient tiny engine would kick in...

 

Drive it home at the end of the day, plug it in with a time set to start drawing power from the grid at some middle of the morning time... to be fully charged when you are done.

 

Better yet if you are living off the grid, and/or creating your own clean electrical power... ;)

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Plug-in hybrid, flex fuel engine arriving in late 2012.

 

Why in the heck does the photo appear in the "preview" but does not appear when saved? :(

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The problem with this dream is a dense wattage battery at a reasonable cost. You see electric power storage the dream for decades. Battery technology did have a small breakthrough with Lithium, but compare battery power to liquid carbon fuel...pathetic. Advocates of battery cars will speculate with graphs etc., that huge improvements just a matter of investment. Not true. Technology doesn't work that way. Mass production not the avenue to cheap product as most think such as if only Wal-Mart started to sell these PIEH batteries or what ever acronym, that the price close to nothing. Mass production can only achieve what technology develops. Meaning it is a waste of time currently, unless your throw a boat load of easy free gov’t money to the problem. That would be mostly wasteful use of valuable resource. Foolish endeavor.

 

The current  cost effective practical choice of money well spent is traditional auto burning carbon fuel. Sure put a few batteries, spend an extra 3-4K and get a bump in gas mileage. The payback pathetic. Better to just get a more efficient smaller IC engine vehicle. This solution best for country. It allows the most advantage to citizens to enjoy better living standards.

 

Ethanol fits this solution beautifully. Like you say smaller cars maximizing ethanol efficiency a great green solution. Problem is the left environmentalist don’t see it that way. They see ethanol as a poor solution and battery cars the ultimate solution no matter the cost. They even see ethanol as a competitor to their ultimate solution. They have long ago abandoned ethanol and have teamed up with petro to disadvantage ethanol. Were on our own now. I don’t believe for a minute the administration worried of ethanol’s future. It’s just talk and political speak. Just maintenance. We advocates of ethanol better suggest to government to do away with blenders credit. Instead like Dan advocates go to E85 blender pumps. Push for a blender credit to help pay gas station owners for their investment, but a temporary credit. We are receiving way to much bad press for blender credit monies that within reality go to petro.

 

Am I the only one who see's the green movement redefining fuel to clean as a ploy to ax chemical carbon fuel? Ethanol is a carbon fuel and utilizes food. Not much hype upon cellulosic since GW times. We are but a small echo chamber supporting each other, but I’m afraid the reality of these power players have left the building. Were on own now.  Only the open market and consumer wants will make the fuel popular. Thank goodness the auto companies are on our side. 

 

 

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Here you go Billy ..

 

imgtag.PNG

 

No, you want just one image link. (Dan you had the image listed twice):

 

[img=http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff26/Billyk24/phevescapehybrid.jpg]

 

Billy, you're getting a link and the image when you paste them into your page.

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