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Hey 1337   4% Price spread..hell I wouldnt have added the Station to the database if I knew it had such a crappy price spread lol  :D  

 

http://e85prices.com/illinois.html

 

Thanks Again !

 

Haha, I doubt they *always* run at a 4% spread.  E85 is a ripoff at just 4% under gas, since E85 is generally 20-30% less efficient than gas.  Also, I think it's just as useful where *not* to buy E85 as it is to know where *to* buy E85.  Yesterday, I drove up IL-47 from Champaign to Oswego, and today I did the return trip.  It looks like Gibson City, IL is currently the best deal along that route.

 

Thanks for adding the station.  You do an amazing job moderating E85prices.com; thanks for keeping the site in such good shape!

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Welcome to the board 1337, and thanks for the update on the Illinois station.  I have a college friend from Mazon.  Never been there--we just liked saying the word "Mazzz'onnn."

 

I have heard of a few E85 FFV's that get only in the 20's to 30% lower mpg's on E85 vs. gasoline.  Those folks would want to look for the better priced E85, or figure out if there is something else mechanically wrong with their vehicle (fuel filter, spark plugs, or just a crummy manufacturer/year).

 

I get on average 15% lower mpg's in our 2003 Chevy Tahoe FFV on E85 (sometimes 12% lower, sometimes 18% lower).  It's hard to tell unless I follow the exact same path with similar weather conditions.  What kind of a FFV are you using and what is your mpg experience?

 

The E85prices website is one tool to help convince fuel station owners that they need to price E85 competitively to gasoline in terms of the mpg's the customers will experience, if they ever want to get off the ground with their marketing and sales.  Some here in CA have been in the 20's and even over 30% cheaper for E85.  One in Monmouth, IL a couple weeks ago I saw was about 30% cheaper off Route 34.

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What kind of a FFV are you using and what is your mpg experience?

 

I actually don't own an FFV.  I drive a 2002 Mercedes C230 coupe.  I never run E85 in my own car.  However, I regularly rent cars for business travel, and I always run E85 in rental cars, "flexfuel" badging or not. 

 

On Friday, I drove a rented a 2009 3/4 ton, 4.8L Chevrolet Express cargo van to Indiana.  I averaged 13 MPG on the trip, and my tank contained mostly E85.  I drove gently and slowly.  The van would probably get about 18 mpg on E10 pump gasoline.

 

A few weeks ago, I rented a 2010 Hyundai Sonata 2.4L.  I burned E85 for most of the trip, and I averaged 33mpg.  The EPA figure is only 31, but I did some pretty serious hypermiling on that trip, with some pulse-and-glide driving.

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1337-thanks for the reply; that is interesting.  The rental cars that don't have FFV badging-does the check engine light (CEL) come on?  Of course, you may not be running the fuel low before refueling, and if enough gasoline is in there it may not.  Sometimes FFV's aren't badged well anyway, and you would only know by the VIN.  So these may even be FFV's under wraps.

 

I'm not surprised by the van's (FFV?) 13 mpg's on E85.  Most of these larger vehicles don't do well at all on any fuel.  Our Tahoe is "supposed" to get 18 mpg's according to EPA on gasoline, but we average 15 mpg's.  13 mpg's on E85.

 

That's good - 33 mpg's for the Sonata 2.4L on E85.  Hopefully that's good signs for small engines in FFV's to come, even more so for those with high compression ratios and turbo chargers.  :)

 

Mercedes has several FFV's, though not the 2002.  2007 C230 and 2008-2009 C300.  If you're interested in a new or pre-owned at some point (probably some terrific deals out there!).

 

http://www.e85fuel.com/information/ffvs/mercedes_ffvs2009.pdf

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1337- If you ever do look at replacing your C230 Coupe with the FFV version from Mercedes you will likely need to show the dealer which ones are FFV's. At least around here I found the dealer to be clueless and the FFV's to be completely w/o badging other than the VIN # itself. Why Mercedes chose to only make rear wheel drive models FFV's when the Midwest gets snow and has E85 is beyond me. This might be ok for a performance version but is unacceptable in Wisconsin for a daily driver IMO. Heck- I even shed my FWD Saab in the winter.

 

I was intriqued with Mercedes and E85 though- since base models are calling for premium NL and compression is decent- I was hoping to run one and get the rest of the story--how Daimler tuned it. Still to this day I have never heard anyone say what the FFV version will do.

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1337-thanks for the reply; that is interesting.  The rental cars that don't have FFV badging-does the check engine light (CEL) come on?  Of course, you may not be running the fuel low before refueling, and if enough gasoline is in there it may not.  Sometimes FFV's aren't badged well anyway, and you would only know by the VIN.  So these may even be FFV's under wraps.

 

I'm not surprised by the van's (FFV?) 13 mpg's on E85.  Most of these larger vehicles don't do well at all on any fuel.  Our Tahoe is "supposed" to get 18 mpg's according to EPA on gasoline, but we average 15 mpg's.  13 mpg's on E85.

 

That's good - 33 mpg's for the Sonata 2.4L on E85.  Hopefully that's good signs for small engines in FFV's to come, even more so for those with high compression ratios and turbo chargers.   :)

 

Mercedes has several FFV's, though not the 2002.  2007 C230 and 2008-2009 C300.  If you're interested in a new or pre-owned at some point (probably some terrific deals out there!).

 

http://www.e85fuel.com/information/ffvs/mercedes_ffvs2009.pdf

 

Thanks for all the info on flex-fuel Mercedes models.  I do enjoy my '02 C230, but I doubt I'll replace it with an other Mercedes.  I plan to run the C230 into the ground (200k miles, unless something major goes wrong). 

 

I think my next car will be a 1st gen Honda Insight, which is good for 70+ MPG.  always have my eye out for an original Insight with a manual transmission and low miles on the odometer.  I will probably retrofit the Insight with corrosion-resistant fuel lines, and I will burn E85 if it's significantly cheaper than gasoline at that time.

 

I go on a lot of long highway trips, and good fuel efficiency is a high priority for me. 

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