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The fact that Toyota claims to have paid off their development cost of their Hybrid program after only 6 years proves my point that they were/are charging a huge premium for the technology.

 

Ford introduced the Escape Hybrid in August 2004 and stated they are now making a profit on each hybrid sale via 2009.

 

 

 

 

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Here is some info on the BYD car and if its what they say it is pretty dang good.      http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/04/byd-electric-car-e6-crossover-mpv.php 

 

Chinese Auto Workers earn $1.65 an hour.  And this car costs $22,000, and doesn't pass U.S. crash test requirements.

 

Nice car, but there will be no one here that can afford to buy it, when wages fall to equality with China.

 

 

 

Morning James ..If they cant afford a China made 22K electric car then they certainly cant afford a $40,000 American made Electric car  ..

 

crash test..rather pointless at this stage ..same was said about Japanese made cars and all the others ..

 

Unless we become a protectionist Country then these are the realities that our Auto Industry has to compete against .. Can they compete ..absolutely but it means big changes across the board ..

 

 

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The fact that Toyota claims to have paid off their development cost of their Hybrid program after only 6 years proves my point that they were/are charging a huge premium for the technology.

Ford introduced the Escape Hybrid in August 2004 and stated they are now making a profit on each hybrid sale via 2009.

 

 

 

 

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But Ford didn't have to spend millions to develop the Escape Hybrid from scratch. Ok yes they did but they did at a much lower cost in 1974  then sold it as well as the tech behind their prototype of a Volt type vehicle to Toyota in the 90's when SUV sales took off and the American public shunned fuel effecient cars. As part of the agreement they had the right to licensee the tech back and any Toyota developments to it at a lower cost than Toyota charges GM and Nissan.

 

Of course they did need to develop their vehicle specific parts but they too are charging a huge premium for the technology which is why they were able to recoup the costs in a short time with an even lower sales volume.

 

Dan to see just how crappy a FFV that is rushed to market can be, you only have to look at the Chrysler 4.7l. Chrysler all but abandoned FFVs until GM started their Go Yellow campaign and they rushed their "me too" product to market.

 

It's all about perceived value. Many consumers perceive the value of the Hybrid so they are willing to pay for the technology, and pay a premium at that.  Many consumers don't perceive value in a FFV, certainly due in part to the lack of available E85 in their area, so the won't pay for it certainly not a premium price.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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crash test..rather pointless at this stage ..same was said about Japanese made cars and all the others ..

 

 

 

I don't see how crash testing is pointless at any stage, to sell the car in the US it must meet US safety standards and since it has a backup diesel engine emission standards. Those 2 things will add thousands to the price of the vehicle.

 

When Japaneese vehicles were introduced in the US there were almost no safety standards. As they were added Honda and Subaru for example needed to go back to the drawing board and design entirely new vehicles in order to be able to sell it in the US. Anyone remember the Honda Z600 and N600 or How about the different variants of the Subaru 360? Guess what their successors the Honda 1200 (before the Civic name plate was added) and Subaru FF-1 cost dramatically more. 

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