Jump to content


Full Member
  • Content Count

  • Joined

  • Last visited

  • Days Won


Posts posted by Billyk

  1. I'm assuming this issue relates to the vehicle "reading" the values from the oxygen sensor and trying to make appropriate adjustments with the long term fuel values and fuel maps.  The auto manufactor might be afraid that the vehicle will not run as "normal/expected" while it is making the needed adjustments.  Thus the owners will complain.   


    Will have to let others on this forum with a better mechanic background chip in further.

  2. [

    Just wondering/wary about fuel going bad for sitting so long..


    Sorry I don't know all the details about the Volt's electric hybrid system but I need to ask:  "During colder weather, will the vehicle force the ICE to fire up earlier (prior to reaching the end of electric range) due to extra load being placed on the vehicle via the heater/lights/wipers/radio?  Heavy use of the air conditioning unit and other stuff might do the same in the summer months.  We know this type of operation will shorten the electric range of the vehicle but...thermal control of the battery under these conditions might just force an earlier than expected start up of the ICE even if it is only for a short time frame. 

  3. Just a quick note on what E85 fillups can produce in regards to mpg.

    The first photo is from what the Ford Dash displays:


    There has been a thought that Ford's software in this vehicle does not accurately read ethanol values at E85 and tends to read slightly low.


    Thiis is what the scanguage displays:

            width=700 height=157http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff26/Billyk24/FEHmpgonE85scanguage.jpg[/img]           


    Both values are above 30mpg.  If one goes the BTU "talk" of what 33% less energy with E85, then this mileage would be like (for a 4wd FEH)  41 on straight gasoline.  It is extremely unlikely that this would occur when my 26 mile route included 3.5 miles of 55mph 4 lane divided highway-12 miles of 2 lane state highway with speed limits of 45-50 mph, 1.5 miles of city driving and 8 miles of residental street driving with  25-30 mph limits.   

    FYI I have a problem with one of my tires leaking air and it needs to be fixed this week.  My current tires (winter useage) Goodyear Fronza Triple Tread are not low rolling resistance.  I am going to put 4 new low rolling resistance tires on my vehicle in the next week.  It was 85F during this drive today.

  4. So . . . they've got a full six years of test data. When does Ford rollout the redesigned Escape? Is it likely to introduce an E85 hybrid to the public?


    I've also seen rumors of retirement of the Escape nameplate. What might be it's successor?


    The 2013 Escape does not have a hybrid version.  It does have two EcoBoost (1.6L  and 2.0L) versions that might love E85.  The Fusion and the new C-Max vehicle carries on the hybrid technology and will offer a plug in version.

  5. The Renewable Fuel Association out of Washington DC got their hands on a 2008 E-85 Ford Escape Hybrid and reported on a 31 mpg average driving around New York State a few years ago.  Ford Motor company lent out about "20" of these vehicles for a  two year "trial" period in which they received feedback and information.  The experiemental E85 Ford Escape Hybrids:


    2009-current that used PHEV (plug-in capabilities and lithium ion batteries)  There was at least 22 of these driven by various electrical/power companies providing feedback.




    The 2008 E85 FEH that used the normal design platform but was made E-85 capable.  A number of ethanol plants got one for a two year trial.





    The first generation 2005-07 FEH E85 vehicles.  Mostly found in Missouri, Illinois, Iowa. 



    Issues?  Vehicles needed a more aggressive emission setup to cope with the frequent start up and stop ICE operation found with hybrid vehicles.

  6. TD pretty much summed up the Ford Escape Hybrid Experience but the 2010 and newer versions have a slightly higher energy concentration per battery cell.  The software may be slightly different than his 2009 especially when one realizes the 2010 and newer run the air conditioning off the hybrid battery pack.


    If I am not mistaken, the Prius has a hybrid battery state of charge range from 40-80% where as the Escape has 40-60%.  The Prius and Escape have similiar design foundations.


    Since I recently added an E85 conversion kit to my 05 Escape, the ICE and radiator run cooler than on E10 or other low intermediate E-blends.  Since there is a certain temperature the ICE and radiator need to exceed for the vehicle to get into electric mode, then can we conclude it doesn't get into electric mode as fast as it would in E10?  I really don't care either way, just that I am using less oil and burning less carbon than before.  Now, can someone come up with a "USB type plug" that will advance your timing a few degrees when running E85?

  7. This link: http://www.crcao.com/reports/recentstudies2012/CM-136-09-1B%20Engine%20Durability/CRC%20CM-136-09-1B%20Final%20Report.pdf


    has caused a "stir" in the press and in various forums about E15 usage and engine damage.    However, one of the engines that failed, did so on straight gasoline!  Of course this was not reported in the press or mentioned in the various on-line forums.  Then again, the title would make you think the failed engines "blew-up" but they still worked but out of specifications.


    I'm not in favor of E15 blends unless it is part of a blender pump.  The link can serve as a reference for "information". 



  8. What a joke!  Terrible logic and journalism.  This link:  http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/16/ethanol-concerns-bring-customers-to-more-costly-pure-gas-stations/



    She started using "pure gas" five weeks ago, after paying $12,000 for repairs on her 2005 Nissan Pathfinder. 


    "I had to change two radiators and two transmissions," said Cannon, who blames the damage on ethanol.



    Ethanol attracts water, and that can result in corrosion in the system," said Rayola Dougher from the American Petroleum Institute. 

    The study, sponsored by the oil industry group and automakers, tested eight engines found in millions of cars currently on U.S. roads. The study found two of the eight malfunctioned and suffered significant damage while fueled by E-15.






  9. Your mileage will improve as you break in the vehicle.  It may take 5,000 miles or so to fully do as I experienced with my then new Escape Hybrid.  Pump your tire psi up higher than "stated" levels on the door to immediately obtain an improvement.  I'm getting over 30mpg with my 05 Escape Hybrid when conditions allow--longer drive than 10 miles, temperature above 45/50F and I can drive between 30-50mph.  I  have not had a chance to drive on the interstate for any long length at 60mph.

  10. That is not supply and demand you are seeing, it's the greedy middlemen. >:(


    I've seen 30-50 cent spreads here. Which is not quite satisfactory.  :-\


    The closest E85 station (27 miles) in my area keeps E85 at 40 cents less than E10 regardless of what else is happening.  The lack of E85 pumps in this part of the country is shocking.  Coskta has their pilot plant in this area and an idled corn/ethanol plant sits 100 miles away.

  11. That is understood - the only point I'm trying to make is that running an engine on E85 (kit or not) does not necessarily equate to keeping the entire hybrid drive happy as a system.  We never set a CEL or other warning light on the Insight either, though the system as a whole was obviously very unhappy about the change


    There is no evidence that statement applies to the Ford Escape Hybrid system.  The Escape Hybrid like the Prius is a different system with hardware and software differences.  There is poster on this site who has used E85 in his Hybrid system for three (3) years now and has not indicated issues.  I have a month without any issues.

  12. An update:  I richen the adjusting dial from "5" to "5.2".  Long term fuel trim values have fallen as low as 10.6 and are not exceeding 18.8 at this setting.  Then again the warmer temperatures (65F today) can play a role in this change.  No changes in starting.  MPG have exceeded 30 when my drive is longer than 12 miles or so.  Photo evidence:



    Do not know what the E85 values will do.  Note:  I drive a hybrid and the use of the electric motors can change the MPG values over a non-hybrid vehicle.  This information has been posted as reference for others as this poster found little such information anywhere on the internet.   



  13. I remember seeing gas for 19 cent a gallon.  I remember paying 25 cent a gallon when I first obtained my drivers license.  This was before the 1973 "OIL Crisis" when prices suddenly moved upward.  In the mid-1980's gas dropped to 69 cents a gallon before rebounding upward.  Now, reports of over $4.00 a gallon by the end of May are being voiced.

  • Create New...