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  1. This morning Cramer was on and I couldn't believe what I heard him say. A little history, about a year ago he said sell that ethanol stock, it's no good. This morning he is asked what to buy right now. First he says natural gas, then he says seeds. When asked what he means by seeds, he says corn and other crops,meaning buy Monsanto and other like companies because they're into plant genetics and seeds that make energy is where it's at in the future. He didn't actually say ethanol but what else do you do with corn other than maybe biobutanol.

  2. I didn't have a clue what a blender pump was until late 2002 and was told they were extremely expensive. When going to New Orleans in Jan. 2003 I kept seeing blender pumps starting in southern Missouri dispensing gasoline only. When I got back to Fayetteville AR to visit a friend I called the local fuel pump place and found out he would sell a blender for closer to $10,000 than the $25,000 I'd been told previously. I called NEVC with the idea of ethanol/gasoline. They referred me to Clean Fueling in Texas that was promoting a portable skid tank setup that could dispense E85 at gas stations. They said the blending idea was good but would never happen because of not enough demand. I called Seneca in Omaha and the guy there said it was impossible to blend E10 and E85 because the mix was so lopsided. Then, when going to Oshkosh 2005 I met 1outlaw at their first Renew station----he was checking daily receipts to see how things were working. My question is, when did and who came up with the idea that Renew proceeded to do what other experts said was impossible.



    November 12th, 2007

    Good News in WSJ Article


    Posted by Cindy Zimmerman


    A Wall Street Journal article on water use for ethanol production points out that the industry is taking steps to address the concerns.


    RFAEthanol producers say they are prepared for the challenges as the business expands and are ready to adapt quickly. Producers, plant designers and water engineers are all teaming up to try to reduce water consumption, says Matt Hartwig, a spokesman for the Renewable Fuels Association, a Washington, D.C.-based group that represents ethanol producers.


    Producers as small as newcomer US BioEnergy of St. Paul, Minn., and as big as Archer-Daniels-Midland Co. of Decatur, Ill., have discussed measures to reduce their impact.


    The article points out that advancements in engineering and new technology are being developed to reduce water usage.


    Significant technical innovations are required to reduce the amounts of water that ethanol plants consume. One ethanol plant designer, Delta T Corp., based in Williamsburg, Va., says it has created a system that will reduce consumption to just one-and-a-half gallons of water per gallon of ethanol, down from four gallons of water.


    To further reduce the plants? impact on drinkable water, engineers also can route more low-quality water ? even waste water ? to functions where high purity is unnecessary. In the past two years, demand for engineers experienced in this kind of work has skyrocketed in the ethanol industry.


    And the WSJ report notes that even without increased ethanol production, the nation still needs to get fuel somehow.


    Canadian oil reserves, seen as a possible source of conventional fuel for the U.S., produce a thick grade of oil that requires just as much ? if not more ? water for refining than ethanol does, says Mr. Hartwig.


    ?The water from that [refining] process is so toxic that it has to be put into holding ponds so large they can be seen from space ? and it takes 200 years to separate,? he says.


  4. I just did a Dogpile search and found this


    Tony said...


        Lets try and get all the proper information out to the general public and not a bunch of bits and pieces which tilt the argument one way or another. Speaking from the ethanol stand point the process requires about 0.5 gal water per gallon of ethanol produced. The rest of the water usage in an ethanol plant come from cooling tower evaporation and blowdown as well as boiler blowdown. I know these are factual statements since I have been designing ethanol plants for the past 13 years.


        Now, you stated that the refineries use about 0.5 gal water/gal of processed crude oil, however these numbers do ot include the cooling towers or the boiler blowdown. Lets get these numbers into the equation and then make our comparison.


        Tony - Ethanol Designer

        October 23, 2007 4:16 PM 

  5. This is part of what Bill Northey wrote. He is Iowa's Sec of Ag.


    While this savings is clearly significant, there is growing evidence that customers should be paying even less when they choose to fill up with E85.


    The amount of savings is important. When burning E85 in a flex-fuel vehicle, drivers will typically see a 10 ? 25 percent decrease in fuel economy. At the current discount, E85 is already often a better deal; but, if the savings were larger, demand would increase for both additional E85 pumps and new flex fuel vehicles.


    So it?s critical that the price of E85 at the pump reflect the true cost of the fuel, not an artificially inflated price which only enriches either the blender, who mixes the ethanol and gasoline, or retailer.


    Some recent numbers seem to show that this artificial inflation of the price of E85 is in fact happening.


    When the wholesale price of ethanol, which is less than gasoline, is combined with the 51 cent federal tax credit blenders receive and the 25 cent state retailers? tax credit, the ?real? wholesale price spread between regular unleaded (E0) and E85 is more than a dollar per gallon. This shows that the 50 cent or so spread now seen at the pump isn?t justified by the costs and says to me that consumers are paying more for E85 than they should.


    This means someone in the supply chain, either the blender or retailer, has been making an additional 50 cents or more per gallon on the E85 they sell.


    Part of the problem is a lack of competition. With just 70 stations statewide offering E85, retailers aren?t risking driving customers across the street. Often the closest competition is a county or more away.


    The state legislature acted this past session to create a program to offer assistance to gas stations that install pumps to dispense E85. As a result, some new pumps are coming into service and there is beginning to be a little bit more competition.


  6. Hopefully Vinod can help sway public opinion. I just had this happen at the grocery store a few minutes ago. A lady I know has a Ford Explorer

    Sport that I know is flex fuel so I asked if she was putting E85 in when she goes to visit her mother in the next town that has a pump---she said no. I kinda knew the answer before I asked because her husband is a shade tree mechanic and I see him putting in straight unleaded instead of 10%. Just can't understand the thinking of people that do that.


  7. This from Domestic Fuel website


    Heard About Earless Corn?


    Posted by Cindy Zimmerman


    Tropical maize could prove to be a very attractive dedicated energy crop with some very desirable characteristics, according to research being done at the University of Illinois.


    When University of Illinois crop scientist Fred Below began growing tropical maize, the form of corn grown in the tropics, he was looking for novel genes for the utilization of nitrogen fertilizer and was hoping to discover information that could be useful to American corn producers.


    Earless CornNow, however, it appears that maize itself may prove to be the ultimate U.S. biofuels crop. Early research results show that tropical maize, when grown in the Midwest, requires few crop inputs such as nitrogen fertilizer, chiefly because it does not produce any ears. It also is easier for farmers to integrate into their current operations than some other dedicated energy crops because it can be easily rotated with corn or soybeans, and can be planted, cultivated and harvested with the same equipment U.S. farmers already have. Finally, tropical maize stalks are believed to require less processing than corn grain, corn stover, switchgrass, Miscanthus giganteus and the scores of other plants now being studied for biofuel production.


    What it does produce, straight from the field with no processing, is 25 percent or more sugar in the forms of sucrose, fructose and glucose.


    Below says that tropical maize could become the ?sugarcane of the Midwest? because, like sugarcane, it produces lots of sugar without a high requirement for nitrogen fertilizer, and this sugar can be fermented to alcohol without the middle steps required by high-starch and cellulosic crops.


    Pictured with some of the tropical maize produced on the research farm in Illinois are Below (right) and doctoral candidate Mike Vincent.

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    I just have 2 wires on my "92" Toy with 22RE. With 4 wires you might have a heated sensor. I think the ethanol blended fuel helps keep the oxygen sensor clean since I'm still using my original at 113,000 miles and have run mostly 10% and for the last 6 and 1/2 years 50% ethanol.

    I really like my ARM 1.

  9. I vote that 1outlaw forgets the warranty and modifies the ECU and turbo and optimizes his Saab for E85. :);) ;D That way we can get the facts first hand. I drove my brand new VW TDI home a year ago and immediately spiked the fuel to B50 using my homemade brew---way above the approved B5. I'm hoping if the alternator tanks that it is still covered. Also, I asked Alcohol a question about three hose blenders on the other site.


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