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  1. Here in Wisconsin- E10 gasoline delivered cost into stations in now in the $3.40-3.44 range- that would mean E10 by law should be near 3.70 after a few days (but the law is not followed). CBOT ethanol vs Nymex gas is -60 cents so it would be nice if we could find some E70 somewhere in the 2.99 (which I saw at 2 Cenex stations last week) to $3.20 range.


    FWIW- I see that the Eastern MN, N IL, and WI terminals have a spread from E0 87 octane to E10 87 octane of as little as 7-8 cents at two cities and the rest are 13-15 cents. With the first 6 cents of the spread coming from the ethanol to gas spread- the rest comes from the savings they get from using suboctane gas (2-4 cents ?) and the rest from not wanting to buy RIN#s.

  2. Court reached that decision because they felt EPA was trying to lead the market and create a market for cellulosic ethanol- well duh- I thought that is what the point was that congress made years ago. this decision just let the oil patch off on RIN values to really use it. I can see how this could affect the producers ability to get off the ground. I know it does not seem like much-but when there are investors in an unsure market-----

  3. The Fox news video clip interview must have been with API itself -- What a load of 100% BS. For example- the lady says ethanol is haul in stainless steel tankers (hmm- never saw one of those haul alcohol but saw thousands of nice aluminum tankers doing just fine thank you)- then she talks about phase separation-( hmm- phase separation is immediate with ANY tiny amount of water in EO and becomes less likely the higher the ethanol content- due to same reason HEET works to eliminate water).


    Gold Eagle has good products BUT EVERY ONE OF THE ADDITIVE COMPANIES ARE GUILTY OF CREATING NEED FOR THEIR PRODUCTS IN THE MINDS OF POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS SO BE CAREFUL OF THESE MESSAGES AND LINKS THEY PROVIDE! The additive business sells a lot of unnecessary goods to the public and some are very detrimental. Ever see an octane enhancer on store shelves with MMT in it- bad stuff. There are great additive products that are benefitial- but most of the best ones are put in the fuel already and the consumer does not need more except in rare cases. 1 example is an engine with run cycles that lead to a lot of hot soak and injector deposits- then Chevron Techtron might have value.

  4. Lean out will not be your issue while warm- cold starts will be the issue. Just ask any methanol racer. Brazil gets away with E100 (and the water in their hydrous certainly would not help cold start) but their climate is more favorable. I dont think starting will be too much of an issue until the morning temps are 55 or so but remember that the OEM's set cold start enrichment for 17% gas- not 2% (E98) so not only will you be a bit lean at cold start but you will be trying to start on a fuel with a flash point of near 115 vs less than 85- tough for low compression engines.


    I wanted to do what you are proposing Dan- but on E85- a local tuner said he could help MPG considerably as long as I committed to not ever run straight gasoline again- and that did not even involve a compression change. Just never found the time or money.

  5. Interesting Dan- you edited this and it dissapeared in IE but shows up in Chrome- same old thing I have had for "Like forEver" when using IE LOL.



    Morning Phil



      You could see your post in IE BEFORE I edited it..but you cant see it in IE after I edited it?


    Correct Dan- I could see the post in IE when I posted it (but did note the picture/graphic within the article was hanging up/slow in loading) but once you edited/fixed it- she became a blank post. Not so in Chrome-ok there.



    Steve- yes- I wa very pleased to see this. Lots of old paper mill facilities up there and I wonder if they are using Lignite or some other lignin byproduct of paper production. If so this could be a real positive for the sickly paper business.


    Ace Ethanol, Wisconsin’s first large scale corn ethanol production facility announced another first today. Ace Ethanol, will partner with Sweetwater Energy Inc., a Rochester, N.Y.-based cellulosic sugar producer to generate cellulosic ethanol at Ace’s plant for up to 16 years.



    Sweetwater’s patented, decentralized process will convert locally available cellulosic, non-food biomass, such as crop residues, energy crops, and woody biomass into highly fermentable sugar, which Ace will ferment into ethanol. The entire contract has a total potential value in excess of $100 million, and requires a minimal capital outlay by Ace Ethanol while stabilizing Ace’s feedstock cost over the life of the agreement.



    “Ace Ethanol has been bench testing Sweetwater’s cellulosic material for some time and we’re confident that this project will be commercially profitable,” says Neal Kemmet, president of Ace Ethanol. “With Sweetwater, we’ll move from 100 percent corn to a combination of corn starch and 7 percent cellulosic sugar as our feedstocks.”



    “This is a very exciting time for the industry, and we couldn’t be more pleased to have aligned Sweetwater with Ace,” says Jack Baron, President and COO of Sweetwater. “Our patented, decentralized sugar-production model is designed to let us work in tandem with a refiner’s existing infrastructure, which fosters strong collaboration on both sides. Furthermore, our refined sugars can be used for biochemical or bioplastics production, giving Ace diversification options in the future. Ace is a progressive industry leader located near affordable biomass; they are financially successful and constantly incorporating proven new technologies to maintain their leadership position.”



    “Over the last year we’ve had some incredible conversations with everyone at Ace Ethanol, and the more we talked about the benefits we could provide for one another, the more we realized that a partnership between our two companies made for a fantastic fit,” says Arunas Chesonis, chairman and CEO of Sweetwater. “We’ve now signed a definitive agreement for a long-term commercial relationship for cellulosic sugar, effectively moving an existing dry-mill corn ethanol facility to cellulosic ethanol without interrupting their operations. And best of all, since the process is scalable, Ace can increase the amount of cellulosic sugar they’re adding to their process in the coming years.”



    Sweetwater Energy uses a unique, patented technology to produce low-cost sugar solution from non-food biomass. This sugar solution is sold to biorefineries, which use it to produce biofuels, biochemicals, and bioplastics. Unlike petroleum-based technologies, Sweetwater Energy’s process uses carbon from renewable biomass that is grown or procured domestically, and significantly reduces greenhouse gases.



    The Sweetwater-Ace agreement entails Sweetwater placing one of its cellulosic facilities adjacent to the Ace Ethanol site, and delivering enough refined monomeric sugar for Ace to produce up to 3.6 million gallons of ethanol per year during the initial phase of the relationship. The promising economics afforded by Sweetwater’s cellulosic sugar and the patented hub-and-spoke distributed model will ultimately determine the pace and volume with which Ace’s corn ethanol facility will migrate to Sweetwater’s cellulosic feedstocks.



    “While the ethanol industry in Wisconsin has now doubt seen its fair share of challenges in the past year, it’s exciting to have member producers such as Ace Ethanol who continue to innovate, look to the future and provide alternative energy for our nation,” said WBIA Executive Director Joshua Morby.



    The Wisconsin Bio Industry Alliance is a diverse group of businesses, environmental groups and statewide and local organizations that have come together to build both public and legislative awareness of the Bio Industry in Wisconsin




  7. Merry Christmas! I ran on E85 the whole way from OKC to North Alabama/Tennessee for Xmas. Heading back tomorrow.



    Mister Timker..what the heck you been up too.. you don't call you don't write ..you just pop in for a few days every 6 months lol


    Thats how long 'Tink has to wait for dial up to go thru. ;D  Hasn't called me in that long either- heard his crank phone died--- things are a bit rough down in OK.

  8. I would just back up and ram the pump a few times ;)  if it asked me too many questions. Darn things get all too proud taking in all that money and start to feel really self important- sort of like a bus driver who likes to tell people where they can get off. Or like govt that feels so important that it needs to make more rules and grow some more.


    Of course since there is a shortage of E85 pumps- better be sure to wipe out all the gas pumps while you are at it. ;D


    Just about as irritating as it comes when you are already asked: 1) do you wish to pay inside or outside. 2) enter your odometer reading, 3) enter your driver #, 4) do you want a carwash, 4) oh and since you walked off and did not notice- 5) do you want a receipt? -----MISSED ALL THAT WHILE OPENING YOUR FUEL CAP AND TIMED OUT-- 1) do you wish to pay inside or outside? 2) enter your odometer reading, 3) enter your driver #, 4) do you want a carwash? 5) do you want a receipt?


    Of course if you are not a fleet card user then you get-- 2) please enter your dang zip code (to replace 2 and 3 above) but may also have to answer some questions about bagels or if you can stand on your head. ;D


    All these are very pleasant and heartwarming when it is -20 and with 30 mph winds.


    The overwelming joy comes when fuel is over $75 per tankfull, you do not have a fleet card and so the pump shuts off and you either: 1) go thru it all over again OR 2) get to stop a day sooner to fill again. Of course you could always pay inside when you are trustworthy and live where they trust people- but then you will be asked if you want any donuts, cookies, or coke with your alcohol. ;D

  9. Dan- as I passed thru Stuart IA on 12/7 I found Kum & Go, 629 S. Division St. offered E85 for $2.919 vs E10 gas at $3.169 -- It did not pop up on the mobilE85 app- only a different station did.

    This is a nice new facility with a good staff.

    No phone number on the receipt.

    I did not look for the the station listed in E85 prices.com so unsure if it exists.

  10. Steve V.- I too laugh to myself when someone goes off on a tangent explaining they only use Brand A because it runs so much better- yet I know full well the brand they are loyal to is made by Flint Hills or a different major. One in particular here in WI brags about/advertises their gas all the time but never puts a drop in this state due to refinery locations. Even if the brand they swear by does operate one of the 2 or 3 refineries that supplies the area- what happens for a month each year when the plant is down for turn-around. What about when toluene or another component becomes more valuable to the chemical business and the major sharply reduces it in the gasoline to make more? Gasoline is just a collection of waste products that blended together just barely meets fungible specs. Ethanol is the one product that is the same anytime and anywhere. The closest thing to consistancy of ethanol is methanol then high end race gas- pump (consumer) gas is a sad joke. Even diesel is more consistant.

  11. The ND oil fields are in the western half of the state, a big chunk of which is desert. Now where's all the water they use for fracking coming from? :D

    Once they put in the Keystone line no problem- after they pollute the Ogallala Aquifer due to leaks then they can use pipe 2 (the slurry return side) to pick up water nobody would want and transfer it to N. Dakota from Nebraska. ;D 

  12. Steve's point is valid- have you ever noticed when traveling to different areas of the US how the odor of gasoline changes (ya,ya I know- you use E85 ;D ) ? I notice in western Iowa and S. Indiana that the gas there is putrid with a sharp sulfurous smell. Trust me- odor is only a tiny bit of the variation in gasoline- I bring it up though because it is one that people can notice.

  13. It would seem to me you are being set up as the blinker thief ;D

    Your old lights would be much appreciated here in WI where blinking yellow left turns would confuse our Polish and Norway decendents. Instead- here they are installing roundabouts from single to 3 lane type- sometimes with as many as 7 in a row. I believe that may be a built in drunk-o-meter for surfacing those who are impaired. ;D  All the police have to do is set up car nets to catch the "wobblers".

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