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  1. Regular field corn is knee to chest high here in WI but has been showing stress the last 3 days unless the grower is applying water.

     

    Sweet peas have been coming off the last 10 days and now those fields have late sweet corn or late peas emerging under irrigation. Potatoes are in full bloom, crops look pretty good in the sands though a bit late. In the east side of the state (clay soils) there are many fields that just never got planted do to wet conditions that existed until too late to plant.

     

     

     

     


  2. Quote: "That will always be yellow if the vehicle is flex fuel. "

     

    NO!!!!!!  :)

     

    Earlier models of FFVs did not have yellow caps and many Ford Taurus and all Mercedes lacked any stickers or ID EXCEPT for VIN# engine codes. In those days between the "road and leaf" symbol that Ford started with and the later yellow caps that GM started with first---one really needed to refer to VIN# because it was very common to also lack fuel door stickers. My first FFV (a 2005 Taurus) was one that lacked any indication that it was an FFV except for the VIN. It was really tough back then to convince people it was ok to use e85. Oh and by the way-- If you see a car noted as and M85 car (they were always marked)--E85 works well in them but these cars are getting pretty rare now.


  3. If the corn oil is extracted on the front end in a fractionation process (where grind would normally be) rather than a backend removal (after fermentation) then not only does the corn oil yield rise by a factor of 3- but it can be high value food grade. Back end removal yields less oil and will be used to add energy content to animal feed or crude oil grade for processing into bio-diesel. Since the latter method will only yield something like1 lb per bu it indeed would need to be "accumulated" to a location where several ethanol plants with a back end oil process can feed the biodiesel plant. The plant I was at made backend oil for the last 4 years or longer.

     

    While it would seem like the only way to go would be to do front end oil extraction-there are some issues with that process: 1) capital requirements are very high to build a fractionation plant, 2) only so much high value food grade corn oil can be absorbed by the market without crashing it, 3) the feed products coming out of the plant are different- a) the distillers is very low fiber, high protein, very low fat more suitable to swine/poultry diets than dairy plus there is less of it made, B) a lightweight hard to handle fiber from the outside of the kernel is produced and markets for this are not fully developed, c) ethanol yields per bushel are a bit lower. 4) however- provided the market remains for it- the high fiber, high oil corn germ also produced can have excellent value.


  4. gasisoutrageous- ethanol's carbon that is embedded in it's chemistry is indeed all carbon that is already in the carbon cycle taking place above ground. Furthermore many ethanol production facilities capture CO2 off of the fermentation tanks, clean it, refrigerate/compress it, and turn it into CO2 used in the soft drink or food industry (the plant I was at shipped it's CO2 to a nearby meat packing plant for use as fast cool dry ice). This new recycle of CO2 provided one more use of it before release and more importantly- displaced fossil based CO2 for this use. Of course the ethanol industry does still use a fair amount of nat gas and electricity so some new carbon is released from permanent sequester (like oil/nat gas use always does) but less than oil. It is possible to use the solubles from corn ethanol production to power the plant but then the industry would be somewhat guilty of converting feed to power. (I do not consider the current level of starch use for ethanol to impact feed supply since all other nutrients left over are more important and more limited than starch).


  5. The final Renew (Grand Chute, WI, on the pricing site)smart station shut down today.

     

    It will re-open in a few weeks as a Shell (yuck), and no longer sell e85, so it can be removed from the pricing site if needed.

     

    Thanks Dan!

     

    :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

    That is one "cry" for each of the lost Renew Stations. None left as Steve says so all should be wiped out of the reporting site.


  6. WIKI sometimes shows it was written by fallible humans. Ethanol has more energy density than the methanol it replaced. As such tanks could either be smaller, there could be fewer pit stops, or at least less fuel used. INDY indeed issues less fuel to each car than previously but I do not recall if they also reduced fuel cell size.

     

    I seem to recall that for the INDY 500 they had at least discussed running E85 in an attempt to run something closer to what is available on the street for the 2012 or 2013 season. I do not think Lifeline Foods is the supplier today (remember either 2011 or 2012 was Brazilian ethanol)- last I heard I thought the E85 supplier was Ignite, an Indiana firm who sells ethanol race blends.


  7. Truthfully the average fill was only 11.7 gal or so BEFORE cash for clunkers. My guess the average fill is even less today though we all know what vehicle (and gas cans) to take along for such coupons--but then we are just cheap ;D

     

    If the average fill is only 10 gal and only 1/3 of those get redeemed--it only costs them a dollar a prescription- even less if they are getting help from Speedway.


  8. My thoughts about this "study" ---- This quote about the authors is revealing:

     

    "The authors of the new paper have long questioned the United States' support of biofuels as a means to cut vehicle emissions."

     

    Yup- if you have a preconceived notion and design a study to prove it--you get what you expect. ;D

     

    Perhaps we should just continue to burn fossil fuels and have even more "climate change". As far as irrigation in Wisconsin-- IF climate change is real and we do get more erratic weather then since rainwater (and irrigation water) infiltration rates are very high here- we will need to (and can) use the groundwater table for storage without worry of recharge. After all- few pivots were even started this year except for to move them out of the way for planting and we have had enough rain/snow in the last several months to replenish any dip in groundwater levels. A little known fact here is that the corn watered here in the Golden Sands is far more likely to be sweet corn for food than field corn and even more likely to be used for potatoes, green beans, carrots, onions, peas, cranberries, etc. It could also be used for irrigating alfalfa. I propose the authors should either cease eating vegetables and drinking milk in addition to- mercy me, beef, lest they deplete groundwater. Perhaps the authors should move away from dry California to a wetter place like maybe Ohio/Pennsylvania where they can have more water as long as the frack water does not go into the wrong spot. Just don't come to our Great Lakes and want to pump it all the way to say--CO, NM, AZ, or CA  ;D


  9. While the rest of the states rack ethanol are the price you pay for small lot blending into E10---Virginia's is ethanol corn liquor "shine" for selling thru C-Stores to be drank straight up or blended with Coke---not enough is available for vehicles with all the demand and everything- priorities you know-- ;D

     

    Keep in mind if you are not an obligated party- or are but exceeding your blend quota you can sell your RIN and deduct that from the ethanol price.

     

    Too bad there is no real markets published for E85 at ethanol plants.


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    That is what I got when I tried your link at the beginning of the thread Dan. I will try later to try the web compatibility button to see if that helps.

     

    Edit: This is what I get if I try it from google:  js,qver=3.1-20121105.pagespeed.jm.gIH4NRhax0.js'> 

     

    Edit the edits: ;D  Website compatibility button works wonders! Page looks great.

     

    The E85 price reporting/station finder does work much faster now -the only thing I still have an issue with is on my Android (Milestone X2) it does not load the station map when you select a station to find- I have to try a second station before the map comes up- then I can go back to the first station and successfully have the map appear.


  11. I just received a flier in the mail from this same group, with the same link to their website, advertising the benefits of e85 for FFV owners.  It was addressed to me.  I'm thinking that they are doing a targeted mailing to FFV owners based on DMV data.

     

    Not a bad idea. 

     

    Sort of shocked that it has not been done already.

     

    Anyone else on here in the Omaha area get one of these?  It was a 5x8" cardstock flier, like you get from political candidates leading up to an election... only this one was worth reading!

    Not sure if it works the way it did here in Wisconsin but here is how it was done here:

    An employee of the state wrote grant requests for alternative fuel stations and promotions to collect federal funds. Her salary was paid as a % of those grants. She would then apply those grant funds for as needed projects (as written in the grant) for such things as paying the state DMV to run the VIN #'s of all vehicles in the state categorized by zip code. The VIN number of course has the fuel code in it. This report was not available to retailers (confidentiality) but was made available to the American Lung Association. The retailer could find out the number of vehicles in the zip codes around his/her station, find out the cost per zip code to mail these post cards to targeted FFV owners in desired zip codes, and the American Lung Association would mail them. The retailer would pay for the mailing (<$1/ea)

    I did this a few times around 2005-8


  12. Never ceases to amaze me- every year farmers get done planting faster (remember they've had good earnings to allow for equipment upgrades), varieties get better, and though this late planting in cold soils is not good--at this late in the game the soils will warm very rapidly and there is less chance of frost damage now than when corn is planted on April 15. My only fear is the chance of one of those cold wet summers.

    I was in a field late last week a half hour north of Green Bay and the frost had just come out- what a muddy mess. (REMEMBER- this is north country- It could be the Packer stadium grass is really just in the perma-frost  ;D )

    You should see the potato fields getting planted right now :o


  13. Will not matter unless RFS is changed. Obligated parties still have to blend or buy RINs. Only in the latter case would that help E85 since added RIN value brings economics to blend E85. Most states have no such E10 mandate, yet E10 is all you get. Hopefully FL never had a mandate on marine fuels to be E10 but if they did this action should appease. Really this law change is just playing meaningless political gamesmanship.


  14. And now it's time for gas prices to skyrocket............... >:(

     

    I ended up working on one of my days off thursday when the store manager got flooded into his own community.  I drove the Jeep since I didn't know what road conditions I was going to encounter and was even thinking about topping it off since I got a couple BP cards for Easter and they had dropped down to $3.52 for regular.  I noticed it looked like prices had gone back up at the stations I passed on the way in and even though I forgot the cards, I was still thinking about topping off on the way home but didn't.  Woke up to find that we were getting some light snow, so I drove the Jeep again not having any clue what I was going to dealing with today and made sure to grab the cards.  On the way in,  I started seeing the prices had gone up more while in transit and then finally got to that BP and they're now $3.85!  Jumped $.33 a gallon in around 15 hours and according to the news, it will like get worse!  Apparently all of the local refineries were located along the Des Plains River, which flooded in a baaaad way.  Hopefully the Ethanol plants are in safer locations.

    BP- the largest, is in Whiting IN, Mobil is in Joliet IL, and that leaves Citgo (the smallest) which I do not know where it is in Chicagoland. Otherwise- the rest of your gas supply comes from Conoco down in S. IL at Wood River.

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