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  1. Utica has the necessary equipment at it's load rack to blend ethanol and natural gasoline into any of the 3 seasonal blend ratios for E85 in addition to shipping straight denatured ethanol. Many plants can only load denatured ethanol- one of the reasons it is best to blend at the station and buy ethanol from the nearest friendly plant who may or may not have blend equip. Renew has blender pumps at all it's sites for efficiency, freedom, and flexibility. Thus it can receive e85 plant blend or denatured ethanol for blending with clear NL gas. When Katrina hit New Orleans a major refinery producing low sulfur natural gasoline was knocked off line and nat gas went 40 cents over NL gas. In 15 minutes a pump tech man can change to blends on all the station blender pumps and on you go to least cost method. The E10 blend will also be blended from this alcohol rather than get alcohol from an oil company terminal. No double trucking/ no middleman. Yes- Renew continues to lobby govt officials and pump makers for blender certification. It is an uphill battle because 99% of the pumps are sold direct to oil companies and they do not want blender pumps!!! Think down the road- In Sweden you already have Saab Biopower E98 and E85 cars- a blender gives the flexibility to offer multiple blends from one NL gas tank (already at all stations) and 1 ethanol tank.
  2. John Malchine -co founder, CEO, and Chairman of the Board of Badger State Ethanol passed away at age 71 on Sunday, March 18. John was instrumental in getting one of the earliest ethanol plants built in Wisconsin and promoting ethanol in a state that had not previously embraced it. John was well known and respected here in Wisconsin by all who knew him, worked with him, or even those who got in his way. Badger State Ethanol built an unattended E10/ E85 station at it's plant in Monroe WI., prices E85 aggressively, and sells ethanol to station owners who offer E85.
  3. I did email Phil Lampert w/ the NEVC- he assures me that the NEVC has a high level of interest in it too.
  4. 68 cents over NL gas?? The worst case price I can imagine in the Midwest would be about -9 to -29 cents buying ethanol from an oil rack & blending it with gasoline. Worst case price I could imagine for e85 purchased direct from an ethanol plant and marked up for retail would be -35 cents ( from a producer who is contracted up and doesnt want to sell any more or uses gasoline instead of natural gasoline)
  5. Larry- I have not done the math on solar for ethanol production. I believe a common # would be 20,000 btu of natural gas for distillation/ steam heat processes + 7,000 btu of electricity for pumps, etc. = 76,000 btu gal of ethanol. That would surely be a lot of solar panels. What is relatively easy to do is use a by-product for power. Outgoing products from a dry mill are ethanol, CO2, wet mash, & solubles. If mash drops value too much plants will burn it of digest it for power. Solubles are usually added back to wet distillers for added fat and to get rid of it. Solubles can be cooked for corn oil extraction (crude biodiesel) or put into a methane digester to power the distillation and generate electricity for the plant. In other words- the plant can run off of a minor, low value by-product and not need any purchased energy.
  6. I suspect Minnesota was earlier to advance E85 in part because the state early on went to a mandate for 10% ethanol which sparked a new round of ethanol plant construction. This brought new jobs and even more political will. The state's corn growers, American Lung Association, and the National Ethanol Vehicle Coalition (Car makers, govt & ethanol producers) got behind E85 and have done a good job promoting station openings. A Minnesota contact at the NEVC is Tim Gerlach who has been there from the beginning. For Tim's contact info go to www.e85fuel.com and look in the contacts section.
  7. It is good it is going up but the hill is long. Those 2006 sales of e85 are what a "good" c-store will sell in gasoline for a year. Come on Iowa- 21 plants sold 1% of their output- we need to get serious about the kind of e85 vehicles are being made, the station network, e85 pricing, and promotion.
  8. Sorry for your loss Dan- my dad also has had a Parkinson's like syndrome for about 16 years and is in a nursing home. Phil
  9. That's pretty bad- looks like they're getting it by wagon train instead of railroad.
  10. Paulc- Seems like I read somewhere that GM changed the alcohol sensor model# about that time. A former Chrysler engineer I have met who worked on ethanol in the 70's and 80's has his Suburban tuned to operate at 1.5 mpg difference in a 1/3 hwy, 1/3 country road, 1/3 city mix. So far he did this all with ECU programming. He plans to install larger exhaust in the future. He gets 17 mpg (summer) on e85.
  11. Ethanol's highest value is as a liquid fuel for mobil vehicle and airplane (performance versions) use. Many other fuels, wind, themal, & solar can more cheaply meet stationary power needs- sometimes recharging electric vehicles. Electric power losses on long distance distribution systems are high though.
  12. Greengenes- I know of several 2004 Tahoe, Suburban, and Yukon owners who had issues w/ cold start. One theory a GM rep had was that they started with partially fouled injectors that the alcohol started cleaning but in the transition period they would experience poor spray or leak down-- this situation was suggested for new e85 users. This was never confirmed- It was recommended to the owners to use Chevron Techtron to speed the cleaning. I doubt this was the issue as it seemed to be limited to '04s. I do not know if any of vehicles ever got better- the average consumer just says the heck w/ it. Like you- I would be afraid also- especially if your 04 is like my 2000 and already has a mild case of piston slap on startup. Personally I would see how difficult to pull a quart sample of E85 from the fuel rail- a mechanic should be able to do this for you. Either do the water test or take the sample to a Colorado state fuel inspection station ( i assume they will do this as Wisconsin would for any consumer or station owner). Do this only if you are in doubt as to when you bought the fuel or what the station was stocking. We went thru a couple of periods with the company Taurus where starting was flaky and we knew our blend was right. One turned out to be a fuel pump (low pressure) and the other situation was cured with a ECU update flash.
  13. Cessna- I agree w/ you about utilizing people generated waste cellulose. We do have to be carefull about pulling too much off the soil when utilizing stovers, etc. In high clay content soils it is obvious the next year after harvesting corn silage. I wonder though if a dedicated permanent grass crop with high root mass would do holding organic matter levels up.
  14. Cessna- I told my Gilbarco pump rep to offer our blender pump that is at our first site to UL. We have no issues to date with this unmodified , out of the box dispenser over the past 22 months since it was installed. I also have had no trouble with meter creep (product giveaway) that supposedly could become an issue due to corrosion of the aluminum meter heads. It has metered approx. 700,000 gal. of ethanol and 1,000,000 gal. of NL gas. When I change filters- the aluminum filter base look brand new inside- no discoloration. I really would like to take one of these dispensers apart to see the copper lines, aluminum meters, and seals on the inside. It will take Govt or independent (non-brand) to bring on ethanol blend pumps- major oil will not make this easy- they feel like they lose control over a station's and jobber's supply. Mark my words- It will be made to sound like quality control will be why it should not be done (a whole 'nuther topic).
  15. There is no need to dewater ethanol in a dedicated ethanol pipeline. The reason you do not ship ethanol in oil pipelines is because no one wants to deal with the mess the terminals will get the first time it is shipped. Ethanol is an excellent cleaning agent, pipelines are very dirty as are the storage tanks at the terminals. As an example- when I was in the oil business- we were always on the lookout for problem loads. One situation brought stringy material thru in diesel fuel- it turned out to be from years worth of corrosion inhibitor sluffing off the bends in the pipeline. More common was water/ black sediment/ bacteria from pipeline terminal tank bottoms. All this material becomes HAZMAT if you do not sell it as fuel. Many pipelines in use today were built in the '50s and 60's. The terminal storage tanks will contain water bottoms that would be unacceptable for ethanol. Who in their right mind would want to introduce a clean product like ethanol into that mess?? Lets face it- when cellulosic, sugar, and corn ethanol plants are in place all around the country the distribution by truck will be more efficient than pipeline. For all the talk about pipeline efficiency- if you look around the midwest there are far more ethanol plants than oil pipeline terminals and you still have to haul from the oil terminal to stations. What the ethanol industry lacks is ethanol tanks in every station hooked up to blender pumps so you do not have to haul ethanol to oil terminals for blending and back to stations (oil companies will resist this) but instead mix e10, e20, e85 at the consumers fingertips.
  16. GT- If you know someone who works on small engines they will likely have a decent engine that was on a wrecked/ worn out frame. A dingo cart would be fun- for a short while I raced 2 cycle carts- flying along at 75- 80 mph at 1-2 inches off the ground and going into a 25 mph hairpin is a blast- the 4 cycle would sure be a lot less temperamental than a 2 cycle leaving more time to drive and less time in the shop. Having a place you can run these is often the problem :'(
  17. No Keith- the sticker you are looking at is the older federal sticker that used to incorrectly state " E85 Minimum 85% Ethanol". I argued against that sticker until the feds approved the new sticker " E85 Minimum 70% Ethanol". The later sticker is accurate year round though the content is higher in the warmer seasons. The first sticker was never accurate for actual alcohol content. The biggest problem with the old sticker was that it led consumers to believe they had to add gas in the winter even though the fuel was already modified. The station you are buying from likely does not know this sticker has been permanently changed and they are just posting the sticker they were originally told they were required to post. They should be supplying you the blend for your area as spelled out in the federal handbook. Your area is 70% thru April/ April-May approx 76-78%/May,June,July,Aug,Sept approx 81%. Yes there are overlap months in there for weather allowance.
  18. Proper blends are found at; www.eere.energy.gov/afdc/pdfs/40243.pdf page 11 gives the blend% 1,2,or3 pages 22 & 23 gives the state and blend# for each month. Phil
  19. As you are starting the test or performance phase be sure to ask your e85 supplier if the e85 you have is Winter (70/30), Spring/Fall (76/24), or Summer (81%/19%) blend just so you know if you need to make minor carb adjustmentsfor best tune. You may not need to adjust but be aware you may find you do.
  20. Fourdoor, I do not remember what you are driving so I will assume you are driving an '06 Impala which will drop about 25% (one of the poorest % loss possible). If so- if your only goal is to use the least cost fuel per mile, then i suggest not to think in terms of cents per gallon but in % difference. Breakeven for you on a 25% reduction and 2.499 93 octane would be; $2.499 X .75 = $1.87425 / gallon E85 --- which would be $ 0.62475 / gallon. If gas doubles -the spread doubles. If gas gets cheaper- the spread narrows. When you evaluate your mileage- do it by hand instead of the on-board computer and do several tanks in a row of the fuel before you switch to the other fuel. My Impala is 23mpg e85/ 31 mpg gas= 74.2%
  21. I say first give us better FFVs-then give us more of them- GM did a good job with their early S10 and Suburbans and did it without even optimizing them like they have done with Saab's Euro Bio-power- right now however, I think they are turning people away with poor economy and wanting someone else to subsidize the difference.
  22. With $4.00 corn, current market for byproducts, and current wholesale ethanol prices there will be little, if any profits for plants. However- ethanol plants are figuring out real fast how to power their plants with their own byproducts or nearby cattle manure. Many plants will also be producing corn oil for diesel fuel or lubes. Need is always the driver for innovation and the need this year will be to become more efficient to offset the increase in corn cost. While ethanol production is currently less profitable- I suspect gasoline will be back to last summer's levels and this will pull more ethanol demand. Cessna- you make a valid point that some farmers will not benefit because landlords will raise rent as demand increases. When I was in Illinois (1978-1981) 80% of the Central IL land seemed to be held in family or bank trusts that the tenent farmer had to rent from. In southern IN. where I grew up and here in WI. there is less of that. Land ownership will be profitable for the forseeable future.
  23. Now now BanjoMan--- A good rebel like you ought to have your own still rather than wait for Yanks to make it for you- seriously I think it is currently costing about 12 cents to rail ethanol from the middle midwest to New Jersey. Indiana is building several plants right now and I know some were proposed for Ohio but I do not know their progress. I would think Virginia would be prime for a sugar type ethanol made from a sorghum or definitely cellulosic ethanol- long growing season, lots of moisture, etc.- think of your Kudzoo hanging all over the trees- got to be something useful in such a pest as that.
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