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  1. I followed DOE guidelines- 17% hydrocarbon (83% pure ethanol) which is obtained by adding 15% hydrocarbon to E98 (has 2% hydrocarbon).
  2. Husker- that is old info. Since Jan 1, 2010 denatured ethanol is only 2% denaturant- it is no longer in spec to go beyond the 2% level. Cessna- could be although at least with the C5 pentane I go for denaturant- i could never detect any mpg difference between reg NL and natural gasoline in E85- nor did I ever have a customer claim lower mpg on my E85 vs a competitor which had NL for the 15% (in fact I heard customer claims to the opposite). Theorectically you are correct but in practice at 15% of the total mix (even 30% winter) it is so few btu difference it does not matter. The only way it could even remotely show up as noticeable in E30 is if the regular gasoline used to mix with the E85 has a very poor or improper detergent that is clashing with alcohol and becoming ineffective (unlikely). I suspect well controlled trials of E30 from the 2 different blend stocks would yield statistically similar results.
  3. Hmm- that cost them a pretty penny. Can't sue city hall? - there would be a great case.
  4. He is stretching the truth a little on the 6 for 1 comment. It is more like 2 for 1 (at most) before one adds in the 7 grand that UL approval added. With UL it makes it closer to 3:1 (at most). Depending on product mix- a blender can drop one tank from needs- making net cost equal.
  5. Americans spent slightly more than 15 percent of their income on food last year, and nearly 17 percent of their income on transportation. Those statistics and much more, comes from the Bureau of Labor Statistics and provides a unique look at how Americans spend their money. In a series of articles for NPR.org, Jacob Goldstein and Lam Thuy Vo compared how spending on various items has changed over time. Specifically, the authors compared statistics from 2011 with those from 1949 and found food spending had decreased dramatically. While the 2011 total for food spending was 15.3 percent of income, Americans in 1949 spent 40 percent of their income on food. In 2011 the total includes 8.6 percent on groceries and 5.7 percent of income on food at restaurants, delis, etc. We may be spending much less on food than in 1949, but spending on transportation last year was significantly higher. Total transportation in 2011 accounted for 16.9 percent of income, compared with just 7.3 percent in 1949. The transportation breakdown for 2011 includes the following: gasoline 5.3 percent; cars (new and used) 5.7 percent; car parts, repairs, etc. 1.6 percent; public transportation 1.2 percent; other 3.1 percent. Goldstein and Vo noted that the rise in spending on transportation was driven by the increase in cars on the road. “In 1950, there were only three vehicles for every 10 Americans. By 2000, that had risen to eight vehicles for every 10 Americans.†Americans largest expense in 1949 was food, but in 2011 the largest money drain was housing at 41.0 percent. In comparison, Americans spent 26.1 percent of their income on housing in 1949. The housing breakdown in 2011 included 31.5 percent for rent and mortgages; 5.4 percent for utilities; and 4.1 percent for furniture and other household items. Also of note is the fact Americans spent 3.6 percent of their income on clothes and apparel in 2011, down significantly from the 11.7 percent spent in 1949. Regarding medical care, the trend is up. In 1949 Americans spent 3.2 percent of their income on medical care compared with 7.1 percent last year. Recreation spending remained nearly steady – 5 percent in 1949 compared to 6 percent of income in 2011. http://www.linkedin.com/news?viewArticle=&articleID=5594037104490324010&gid=4382791&type=member&item=106213423&articleURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ecattlenetwork%2Ecom%2Fe-newsletters%2Fdrovers-daily%2FHow-Americans-spend-their-money-146335425%2Ehtml&urlhash=Rgtf&goback=%2Egde_4382791_member_106213423
  6. Real nice quality control- may have been done in the same approved shop my electric start one was at (electric start worked maybe 5 times before first failure, then 0 times after repair ;D ) Sure glad I have the non-electric electric start my better half wanted. One of these days I am going to tear into myself since the Sears shop is 70 miles away and was not effective. : I see those are lead acid- yeah- 8 years is stretching it. I am surprised with all the opportunity for discharge caused plate sulfation or even freezing that it worked at all as much as that battery would have been sitting around.
  7. Is that a couple of years (2) OR a few years ago ? ;D
  8. Husker---- Major brands- BP, Shell, Mobil, Exxon, Chevron, Conoco, etc will give their dealers the most trouble about selling all 3 grades of their gas. Many of these stations are under contract that requires this- therefore a blender would likely end up not being a "fit" for them unless it is an addition to their existing pumps rather than blenders at every position. Much more freedom exists outside of the above brands. Unbranded (ie: Starvin' Marvin's. Poor Boy, Dan's Magical Mystery fuel, Fast Freddies, etc) or Clark (which is a brand for fee-only in name without supply) are totally open. Others in this bracket are Kwik Trip, Kwik Star, Quick Trip, Freedom, Kum and Go, etc- but of course these bigger chains will have cultural rules/hurdles of their own.
  9. Can't see the first post but corn sort of returned right back to where it was a couple of weeks ago.CBOT Ethanol is still $1.10 under gasoline NYMEX (and rack E0).
  10. What James told you is reality- not theory. My S10 ran in the 12% (4cyl), my 6 cyl Impala closer to 18% range (every car is a bit different and drive cycles are very important to %), only Tahoes, Pickups, other 8 cyl after 2004 were even close to theorectical losses. The reasons these vehicles do not run at theoretical (btu) differentials of 71% of btu content (for full summer 85% ethanol) are as follows; 1) higher octane allows for the ECU to bring back best timing for efficiency 2) ethanol cools and depending on fuel system type may allow more air into the cylinder- raising real compression and efficiency 3) due to the cooling action of fuel vaporization- more heat goes to usable work (expansion of exhaust gases which push piston down) vs loss through coolant to atmosphere (a typical gas engine is only about 27-30% thermally efficient. Like James I have tracked it over the long haul- and year 'round. I have driven about 300,000 miles on E85 over the last 7 years and constantly ran gas comparisons. Very short trips (under 5 min) will give more % penalty on E85 than long trips due to the cold start enrichment cycles. Ideally we would have engines more like Corey's- E85 allows for compression ratios much higher where not only are the engines more efficient but also more ideal for this fuel. The Buick Regal 2L turbo is closer to Corey's design than most FFVs The one place where the fuel penalty does apply is in all out performance- there compression ratios are raised into a 12.5:1 or up to 14:1 (or boost up to 3 bar) and then the fuel is used for max cooling and max power. Typically these engines in boost situations are turning out 2-3X OEM power levels. At this level fuel is added at 30% over race gas amounts.
  11. Years ago we had an old Holstein bull which weighed nearly 2350 lbs- he was huge, rather exceptional at the time. He also could not be contained by fences anymore- especially when the ladies were about. He brought us a nice premium over cull/cutter grade because the market at the time wanted a lean beef that tended to absorb water when ground and mixed into normal ground beef. ;D So as TD says- you might prefer your meat to be in recognizable form. BTW- do they have white slime too? (chicken, turkey, pork)
  12. Quote: "I have been posting in the "All Things Ethanol" section of Gasbuddy" Brave girl- I used to post in there but over there EVERYBODY YELLS at the pro-ethanol folks and at least in the past- would ignore a thoughtful/intelligent post - even those backed up by solid documentation. I could just picture some with hands over ears/eyes going LALALALALALALALALALALALA ;D GasBuddy should be renamed- GasHuggers
  13. Qoute Husker: "Outlaw may know more on those early days. http://e85vehicles.com/e85/Smileys/emotions/cry.gif[/img]" Fat lot of good that does Husker- while the ones I put in were before the Dakota ones, mine are mostly pumping petro now due to the nature of the oil industry. Quote Furball: "when I was in SD over 40 yrs ago they had pumps you got a discount on if you bought there tokens. Now if I only had that 1963 Chevy SS I think there are some under the seat." Wasn't that when pumps still had little half globes with a ball spun by yellow fuel so you knew you were not getting taken advantage of on your $1.50 fill up? ;D And you had a big WARNING-CONTAINS TETRA-ETHYL LEAD sign on the pump. Ahhhh- the days when you knew what you were getting and the poison did not cost as much! You might also get a free Dino the Dinosaur Sinclair glass when you filled up (besides your windows washed, tires checked, oil checked, your girl oogled, and change made all while you were sitting in the car. Good thing too that they filled the car for you- kind of made it so you really did not mind buying a car with a filler cap behind a flip down license plate. Sorry Furball- you just kind of left yourself open on that one ;D ;D ;D
  14. If you want nat gas Jonny and you do the converter bay thing too- consider doing CNG conversions too. Rather than compete with the other products, I think that it would spread your ad $. excitement (something for everyone), and improve net income per install.
  15. Wow- They are CHOOSING to sell E0 at 10 cents less margin! That is foolish unless they are targeting boats and have quite a bait shop or recreational market with a lot of inside income. Let me guess- they would never dream of E85 ;D
  16. 'Cept the corn ethanol RIN is typically only in the 1/4 cent to 4 cent range- now cellulosic ethanol RINS would be likely be 50 cents to $1 but that type of ethanol will likely be the same amount higher in price- you would definitely want to buy it at the lower price and let the RIN get bought separately by big oil (you are fulfilling their mandated use).
  17. You may be able to buy the ethanol with or without the RIN- make sure you know the value of the RIN and when you buy the ethanol RIN free- try to pay less for it. The ethanol plant or broker can then sell the RIN elsewhere. You do not need the RIN as you are not an obligated party--and now you get the inkling why oil companies do not want the RFS (they are obligated and you have a tiny advantage in that tiny scope ;D )
  18. Sorry guys- I have been busy interviewing- will respond when I can----
  19. Reach out to the local performance folks while you are at it gamechanger. The most common group to use E85 are the bracket drag racers who love E85 for the added power, higher low end torque, consistency, and lower cost. ($3 vs $20/gal) If you need advise just pm me. Carb'ed racers will need proper carb rework- I can point you to some real good ones who only do E85 (important). These guys will want to know the exact blend % (for consistency) and can be used to promote your station on site or at the track- if nothing else they strengthen the local mechanics feelings toward E85.
  20. They are adding in the carbon footprint of this website, all the servers, and our trips by E85 stations to check the price. I really added to the carbon load today because I drove to the local E85 station to complain about the 50 cent spread ($3.86 gas/$3.35 E85) and I did not buy any--bad, bad, bad,--I should have ridden a bike. ;D BTW- the clerk agreed the margin was a bit rich.
  21. I played with the CNG idea too --but at the time nat gas was $12-14- not $2.30. The equipment was horribly expensive and the state requires road tax at retail but not if you fill at home.
  22. It does not matter where the oil refineries are at all. Very little gasoline or diesel fuels are truck loaded at oil refineries--they put their production into pipelines to send where buyers have committed to purchase- in many cases 30 days prior for a pipeline tender of 220,000 gal. What does matter with E85 is where is the ethanol production facility, what capabilities do they have to blend natural gasoline (C5 pentane) or gasoline, how locked up are they by their broker or their knowledge/ lack of desire to do wholesale E85. And KY does not likely rely on the one ethanol producer anyway (E10 sucks that and more all up)- across the Ohio river there are many facilities and lots of bridges to get there. ;D . Plants to the north and west are moving ethanol eastward- often all the way to the East coast or Florida by rail--KY is an easy path. That said - ideally the station should be able to bring in a full load (8200 gal) of E85 (10-12,000 gal tank) and the ethanol plant should be within 150 miles. Lowest cost ethanol in the USA is typically Nebraska, Dakotas, or Western IA due to distance to major markets (TX, CA, NY, FL) and the rail freight to get there- thus the KY ethanol plant is receiving a higher price than one lets say- in MN, NE or WI. Freight on such a load moving 150 miles would be about 5-6 cents--- THIS IS WHY THE RETAILER SHOULD NEVER PUT IN A SMALL TANK FOR ETHANOL! A 2,000 gal delivery traveling that far would have 20-30 cents freight cost! The only way to know how the station gets his product is to ask the owner. The only way to know what the ethanol plant does is to call them, ask for the corn buyer (who likely sells the ethanol) and ask but it is unlikely he will talk with great detail beyond yes or no on blending E85 (grain guys are big on secrets since knowledge is power and value). The other way is to ask the state fuels inspector or local Clean Cities people. If you do get to talk to a real person and they show interest in direct marketing to stations but need advise how- pm me and I will call them if they want.
  23. The station may not have it's own tankwagon or transport but either has the E30 tank splashed with E85 (coordinated with gas transport delivery) when it gets E85 delivery or a local tankwagon delivery fleet goes into the plant to load some bug juice (technical term for ethanol ;D ) and then stops off at the station. This last method is difficult because it: 1) requires a bottom load tanker with Sculley interlock- most tankwagons are not thus equipped. 2) requires the ethanol plant to allow a truck in the line that only wants a dash and yet still takes as much or more time to process, bill, etc as 10- 29,000 gal rail cars or a 8,000 gal semi. 3) experiences very high freight costs on tiny moves (ie 500-1000 gal) I bet this station owner wishes he would have put in a blender so he could just do the E30 and possibly the E85 himself.
  24. Ahhh- I see I did not add the cellulosic gallons from the same acre of corn as I did the others. IF you are not going to do cellulosic from DDG or solubles (I know it was looked at but no one is doing it right now) but instead are going to do corn cobs or stalks then that must also be added. I would only guess at this -- another 150-200 gal/acre? with more CO2, same corn oil, and same DDGS. Left over lignin can be processed and sold or burned for power.
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