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Allch Chcar

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  1. Lack of demand AND supply maybe? I know that the Cascadia region is very environmentally friendly. They are well known for all the hippies, hipsters, and conservationists living there. Their farming is mostly irrigated. That coupled with environmental regulations on Ethanol plants. It could have something to do with a distinct lack of Ethanol subsidies compared to Michigan. They also require Gasoline to meet the CARB oxygenated blend requirements. Premium gasoline is 91 AKI which is called piss gas.


    It warrants some investigation to be sure. I've been researching the area for awhile. So I'll let you know if I find anything out.

  2. I would say no as I already do that. But most people might not be as inclined to do some arithmetic. Which is precisely why they should be compared.


    There is also the lack of regulation or a minimum octane for E85. Even though E50-E85 might have the same octane, they give significantly different results. Assuming all else is equal, an engine running E85 will make more power while consuming more fuel than E50.

  3. So they're saying the decline in Domestic Gasoline consumption is due to the lack of RINs to comply with the RFS. That's a weak argument. Considering that when the Oil companies were in compliance and Ethanol was abundant, RINs were practically worthless. I'd say that the reduction was minimal either way. The point of the RINs is to make Renewables more attractive and I'd say they're doing just that right now. With the EPA proposal to match Gasoline demand, there isn't much point in denying it. The EPA is already working on matching Renewable expectations to reality.


    It's no surprise that the Food producers whom requested the waiver during the drought are still upset and confused. But that situation resolved itself economically. High prices reduced demand for Ethanol, which has a highly flexible demand, meaning plants shutdown or cut production.

  4. I'm not surprised. The EPA doesn't have the impetus they thought they had. Having the support of the public(polls) isn't enough. They need the support of  Automakers first and foremost. Right now they only have partial support from Domestic Automakers but it's tentative. Even now, Automakers rarely advertise Flexfuel capability. My guess is that someone is putting pressure on them to hide the Flexfuel capability or more likely they don't see any benefit to it. Plenty of people are pushing back against Ethanol in all forms so it's also a possibility.


    The EPA very obviously and very publicly lost this battle. It might be time for plan C, more regulations on Gasoline. Such as Gasoline taxes, Carbon taxes, etc. They could have any number of backup plans. I know I would.

  5. Heh, I waited until fuel was at 1/4 tank and put in 4 gallons of E85 without any Gasoline. When I told my Mother she started to get nervous and talk about mechanical problems and the anti-Ethanol ad campaign, which I had told her previously. Needless to say, I checked the math and it was only ~40% Ethanol. I'll check it again later as a precaution.


    I do not believe the average person would be comfortable doing this. My Father of all people would never do anything besides pump as much regular as he needs and go. Even as easy as it is to blend E85 with some Regular, most people wouldn't be able to do it without some hand holding.

  6. That's kind of the point though. Oil companies are willing to spend more money avoiding compliance than supporting a competitor. At what point would Blender pumps start being more attractive?


    Maybe regulators could try to encourage Fuel Station owner's to get on board and to start putting pressure on their Oil suppliers? It could be time to start breaking the hold Oil companies have on this country. Let's face it, most stations have contracts to keep their prices low. If there was more competition they would be free to buy from other suppliers, including offering alternative fuels.

  7. I haven't looked into the specific regulations for fueling stations. So I am interested to hear that. I'm always curious what Blend stock they use. Especially for E85. ;D




    They're foisting a lower grade of gas that is supposedly cheaper to make and increases the amount of that fuel produced on the state, then charging more for it?  If I still ljved there, I would be PISSED!


    Supply is pretty tight. It's possible the price jump is only during the transition period.

  8. My mistake on the timing. And I didn't know it was +2.5 octanes for blending Ethanol.


    As for rounding octanes, that is completely legal. 87 only has to be 86.5 AKI. It's been that way for as long as I have known about it.


    I would like to hear them blame the RFS for saving them money by using lower octane BoB to conserve Oil. It's very much a double edged sword. Most people will just have to use it or switch to midgrade. The rest of us can use more Ethanol.

  9. They are genuine opinions. He knows enough to talk but it's outdated information. In the 90's the octane comment were true enough. But all new engines are high compression, de-tuned for emissions, and yet will still ping occasionally on Regular. Honda, Ford, and Mazda all do this.


    Regular is cheaper but mid-grade Gasoline will still improve drive-ability in economy cars. It makes a bigger difference on today's 100BHP cars than it did on yesteryear's 100BHP cars. Most of which are now infamous for having poor response and bad drive-ability. I bet he doesn't know that octane makes a bigger difference on low RPM driving than it does high RPM operation.

  10. The only way to be sure you're getting acceptable octane Gasoline is to buy mid-grade or higher. They say this won't change the price at the pump at all but it has to eventually. Supply side economics.


    This is old news or possibly an expansion of old news. Last month they announced they were discontinuing 87 AKI through the pipeline to Nebraska and Iowa. But I'm curious how they can use 84 AKI as blendstock. 10% ethanol isn't going to add 3 points to the AKI.  ::)

  11. I know the feeling. Domestics are using E85 so they can keep building gas guzzlers. Foreign companies make vehicles that would be great for E85. Then denounce E85 while selling Flexfuel engines in Brazil or Europe.


    I'm not a brand loyalist anymore because none of the brands are on my side. Cars are like commodities, find one that meets your requirements the most and if it needs some minor changes so be it.

  12. There aren't many non-hybrids that can get 30 mpg city. None that are factory FFV. Even the Focus is more of a highway car and very compact on the inside.


    If you do show her a Prius you might try showing her the second generation(MY2004-2009) then showing her the third(that's the one you want). The first generation was not very good. The 2010 had some key improvements she might like. It's still not very fast but Prius owners swear by them. They're fantastic machines.

  13. Yup that's it! The Prius would make a great Flexfuel because with it's high static compression and VVT-i the ECU has more room to compensates for fuel octane by adjusting valve timing. Unfortunately, Toyota wants the AT-PZEV certification so we're not going to see a factory flexfuel version without a mandate.


    There are aftermarket kits. It's been done for years. So there is plenty of precedent. I mean, the Prius has become the ubiquitous symbol of high fuel economy. What would make a better rolling test bed for E85? The turbocharged E85 examples have been overdone at this point. The Prius is naturally aspirated.

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