Hydrous ethanol saves planet Earth in General E85 Discussions Posted March 1, 2009 · Report reply I'll post one more on the small quanity generator. Lol, ya off topic, yet not worthy of separate post. My assumptions: 1. Hot air turbine the most practicle efficient engine ever, much more efficient than the steam turbine technology the power plants use. One ceramic turbine at 50% thermal efficiency. Wilson. 2. Ethanol takes lots of thermal energy for distillation with tons of water vapor. This could be used for great house hold water. 3. Neighbor hood power facilities have an extreme advantage of working with neighbors, balancing loads, easy connections, and little line or pumping loss. No transformers required. Grounds can be hard wired back to electric generator. 4. This setup extremely flexible for combined heat and power or what they called co-gen. The overall efficiency could be extreme. 5. Hot water and space is just about free as low grade heat hard to utilize upon processes. Their are not many close by available heat loads that can utilize low grade heat. Industry usually dumps this heat to atmosphere...cooling towers. 6. Sewage and water utilities also easy to adapt since hundreds of gallons of water vapor floating about the ethanol stills. Also, ethanol a big utilizer of grey water. Also, process water from ethanol not distilled very nutrient rich for lawns. Organic fertilizer i.e. leaving chopped leaves and grass just incredible good for lawns, even in cold months application is fine as nutrients do not disappear as no run off. 7. Urine production a valuable commodity a perfect nitrogen. So houses should have at least one toilet plumbed into the number 1 fluid steam. Second toilet for number 2 and that also a good manure, just requires additional processing. The lawns, shrubbery, and trees would blossom. Grey water if available also a wonderful irrigation liquid. Now, some cities have grey water utilized this way, but have to flow the liquid for miles to process plant, then pump the stuff miles for use. This creates some smelly biologicals. The local unit can have daily change over...odor gone. Tree growth can 10x. I have tested this tree growth upon grey water for a decade. It is amazing how fast a tree can grow giving optimum conditions. 8. Consider this...that Wilson ceramic turbine generator mentioned above is cost effective because of such high efficiency in production of electric, alone. Meaning direct price competition with utility company depending on actuals, but right there. So, consider the huge thermal waste stream free energy. This waste stream can be balance easily in local zone of hot water heat, space heating, A.C., ethanol distillation...etc. If you landscape the lawns to farm quallity products another revenue stream. Households just learning the payback i.e. $3,000 for a veneer quality tree, black walnut trees, high grade clover feed, nut trees, fruit trees, berrie production, bush fruits, etc. You see this back yard farming can be adding $1,000s of pay to neighbor hood revenue stream. Maybe providing some kids summer jobs, providing high grade organic food and sales, pelleting clover for high grade horse feed. Most folks unaware how productive a 1/2 acre parcel can be....you will greatly increase production upon earth box or hydroponics and again if heating some planting beds with waste heat and green house. These need not be ugly, and have been implemented within suburban territory. 9. If you throw in community doing it own road work, i.e. snow plowing and home schooling.....well the tax base should only be a fraction. May the neighbors be a very good protection and control? Better than police force or fire department. Big centralized systems not always effective i.e. union run public schools, union run police and firemen. Would the money go farther upon decentralized institutions....you bet.