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  1. 1) high gas prices

     

    2) a record year for E85 pump installs

     

    3) I don't keep up a lot on FFV models but I know the 2012 Focus which coming out next year is supposed to be E85 capable. I think that could prove significant because unless there is another model I have missed it will be the first of the low cost, high volume models to be E85 capable. That could really help to raise awareness of E85 and help counter the old image that building E85 cars was just a way for manufacturers to get around CAFE rules.

     

    4) since the VEETC extension was for only one year, the debate on whether to transition the VEETC over to something like the Growth Energy plan will take place some time next year.


  2. Back to Iran ..Wonder if Ethanol would be illegal because of the alcohol (religion) ?

     

    About a year ago there were articles talking about a Muslim scholar claiming the use of fuel ethanol in a vehicle could be considered a sin. Here is one of the headlines.

     

    Saudi muslim scholar calls ethanol fuel use a sin - MotorAuthority

    http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1032391_saudi-muslim-scholar-calls-ethanol-fuel-use-a-sin


  3. ethanol is strictly prohibited in Iran...

     

    I don't think that applies to fuel ethanol. I remember seeing a story some back about Iran producing ethanol as a way to hedge against the effects of sanctions.

     

    http://edition.presstv.ir/detail/90788.html

     

    Seems I also remember something from a while back about Brazil and Iran working ion a deal to supply ethanol to Iran. I think our diplomatic efforts put that deal to rest though.


  4. I think you are giving way too much credit to this chemical oxygen.  Just because it's in the molecule doesn't mean it's totally available for combustion.  CO2 and H2O are are ~72% and 89% oxygen, but it doesn't mean they burn worth a cent - or aid combustion in any way.  In fact, both are widely used as fire extinguishers.

     

    N2O, nitrous oxide, is nonflammable but increases power. Why? It is has a higher percentage of oxygen in it's makeup than air does. That wouldn't matter if nitrous oxide couldn't be separated into it's nitrogen and oxygen components. Luckily the pressure and heat of compression is enough to break nitrous oxide molecules apart.

     

    In the case of ethanol, methanol, butanol, nitro methane and surely other oxygen caring fuels, the act of combustion is what separated the molecules and recombines them into smaller more stable molecules.

     

    2 C2H5OH (ethanol) + 9 O2 = 4 CO2 + 6 H2O

     

    If we were talking about ethane which has no oxygen it would look like this.

     

    2 C2H6 + 10 O2 = 4 CO2 + 6 H2O

     

    The difference being that for every 2 molecules of ethane going into the engine, one more molecule of O2 would have to go in as well. And oxygen in gaseous form takes up more space than oxygen in chemical form. Since an engines power is determined by the amount of oxygen it can take in, the ethane engine would have a lower power output than the ethanol engine even though ethane would have a higher BTU content than ethanol does.


  5. The VEETC is 45 cents and a gallon of ethanol costs somewhere around 2 dollars so the subsidy is around 25% of the value of a gallon of ethanol. Ending that in a sudden manner would surely have a negative effect on the industry. I have no problem with ending it or transitioning to something else but it needs to be done in a gradual manner so that the industry can adapt.


  6. Oil Has to go higher  in this recovery even without any Wars/Rumors of War

     

    In a way I hope that it is something other than supply/demand fundamentals since as oil rises it will have a chilling effect on the economy. And it also means that when we get back to our previous level of economic activity oil will go back to it's previous level which at the peak was around $140 per barrel.


  7. There will always be people like Gore that are against whatever we have now and all for something that is just over the horizon. When he supported ethanol it was just over the horizon. Now he is against corn ethanol and for cellulosic ethanol which is just over the horizon. When cellulosic ethanol gets here he most likely turn against it and point to something else as what we should be working towards.


  8. Question is----why Spring and not now?????????

     

    According to CARB they will "update the land use change and other indirect effects values in the spring of 2011 or as expeditiously as practical afterward."

     

    My guess is instead of spring 2011 it will be "as expeditiously as practical afterward."

     

    They don't like corn ethanol in California. They see it as a form of midwest welfare.


  9. Morning Mus..they do know where the money is coming from.. Rural Development Funds...the issue is doing the paperwork to move some of those funds to E85 infrastructure..

     

    According to the article the available funds haven't been identified. So this is most likely a commitment of future funds. Add in the need for paperwork changes and the point is this is not going to happen quickly.

     

    Also ..The MAJORITY of the 564 Million is going to LIQUID fules with Ethnaol receiving the most money..from greentechand DOE

     

    And how does that amount over the last two years compare with prior to two years ago?


  10. From the letter.

     

    "Obligations and DOE payments to grantees remain a key measure to evaluate Recovery Act performance; however, if funds have not been obligated by grantees and are available, targeted investments to improve renewable fuel infrastructure are a valuable use of Recovery Act funds for meeting the strategic energy goals of the nation."

     

    http://www1.eere.energy.gov/wip/khogan_letter.html

     

    So the plan is to ask the recipients of grants to consider using any unallocated stimulus money for E85 pumps. This is what 21-22 months after the stimulus was passed?


  11. Not going to be easy but sure they can get it done..as stated the"Plan" is for the funds to go through Rural Development" program..  Not sure what he was expecting a pre approved pile of money sitting with belnder pumps name on it?

     

    Could be that it is just a bit naive of me to expect that they should have an idea of how they are going to pay for it and what is going to be involved in making it happen when they make such an announcement.

     

     

    He goes on to say  "USDOE with their billions are also in the discussions. They of course are not as excited about funding blender pumps and E-85 infrastructure as USDA. USDOE has significantly reduced their support for ethanol research and E-85 in the last two years"

     

    That's rather amusing considering  the  DOE just award 600 Million to cellluosic ethanol including ZeaChem , BlueFire and Algenol and 14 cellulosic pilot plants  ..maybe he means the money isnt valid because it doesnt have corns name on it?  ;D

     

    Technically it was 564 million but 600 million committed a year ago is a fine example of their commitment at present but doesn't really address the charge that commitment levels have dropped over the last two years since it doesn't tell us what us anything about what was being spent prior to two years ago.

     

    I subscribe to the DOE news feed and there hasn't been a lot in there geared toward ethanol in a while. The closest thing I saw over the last two months was $16.5 million on biomass research. There were plenty of other forms of energy receiving grants such as $1 billion for FutureGen 2.0, which is clean coal. There were also grants for offshore wind, geothermal, solar, hydrokenetic and transmission lines.

     

    For the most part it seems as though the DOE has determined that the future is in electrification of transport and has moved away from liquid fuels.

     

    If you want to check out their news feed it is at this address.

     

    http://www.energy.gov/pressreleases.xml


  12. There is a bit of an update on this over on Corn Corps.

     

    "Alas, announcements are easy to make but the real work begins after the press releases. In follow-up discussions with USDA and others it became quite clear that the surplus funds have not been identified. The plan is for the funding to go through Rural Development (which is a very good idea) but the current programs would have to be changed to allow funds to be used specifically for blender pumps. One obvious program is the Rural Energy for America Program (REAP) which has been identified as a possible vehicle. Unfortunately the guidelines will have to be changed and the solicitations will not be issued until next spring. It is also possible the program will have to be changed legislatively for blender pumps to be allowed.'

     

    http://corncorps.blogspot.com/2010/11/federal-funding-for-blender-pumps-not.html


  13. I don't want to get too political either but look back at the recent past.

     

    The biodiesel tax credit was enacted under a republican president, house and senate.

    The RFS was enacted with a republican president, house and senate.

    The RFS2 was enacted with a democratic house and senate and a republican president.

    The biodiesel credit expired when democrats under a democratic president, house, and senate.

    The EPA, DOE, and UL strung out approval of E85 pumps under a republican president and under a democratic president.

    The EPA and DOE strung out the approval of E15 under a democratic president, house and senate.

     

    It has been a mixed bag under both parties and I doubt that will change much. I really don't think that biofuels are as much of a partisan issue as they are a regional issue.


  14. Yeah I was reading that yesterdy and was abit ticked off.. we shouldn't be exporting any ethanol ..once ethanol becomes more expensive than gasoline.. I'd sure like to see some legislation to that effect

     

    Agree..the numbers dont tell the whole story becuase of all the idle plants

     

    Production in August was 1.1 billion gallons so 30 million gallons is a really small amount. That would be less than one days ethanol production.

     

    The exports are a sign on two things, the high cost of Brazilian ethanol at that time and the fact that ethanol producers were able to produce more than the domestic market could absorb at that time. I wouldn't look to look to crimp their ability to sale excess to other markets because unlike the petroleum refining industry the ethanol industry has shown a willingness to expand to meet new demand. As far as I know the term limited refinery capacity has never been used to describe why ethanol prices are going up but was a perennial excuse for why gasoline prices were going up during the peak driving season.

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