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Jumped the gun there, the Griffith East Family Express had their open house this week on Tuesday and Wednesday, and finally opened for real yesterday/Thursday. I don't expect prices to be low there since Family Express raised all prices chain-wide on Monday to $2.699 for E10 and $2.099 for flex-fuel/E85, which I think is 70% this time of year. E15 prices they are still experimenting with, sometime 2 cents less, sometimes 5 cents less. Sometimes E10 is their "base" price at $2.699, sometimes E15 is their base price pushing E10 to $2.719. I did swing by the open house for the free food at least and they do sell E15 as Regular 88: Family Express pump at Griffith East Casey's flex-fuel was $1.849, which was the best deal I could find in the area, their E15 is prices at 5 cents below E10, as always.
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There are significant power gains to be had by running E85 in your high performance vehicle for the street, the track or even for pulling and towing. This thread is dedicated to answering the hard questions, dispelling the myths and helping performance enthusiasts and horsepower junkies get the most out of running E85. Keep it positive, keep it real and keep the questions coming. -
Please note this is a new forum where we welcome everyone to get together discuss utilizing E85 in performance applications. Looking forward to the conversations to be had!
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AdvancedFuelDynamics joined the community
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The $35,000 version has arrived. But, I need AWD which bumps the price up and with the options I desire, a little over $50,000. Well, someone has to save a few bucks now.
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Finally seeing prices from the Griffith Family Express, I think it's actually open now!: http://www.garygasprices.com/Family_Express_Gas_Stations/Griffith/198316/index.aspx Looks like E10 is priced 25 cents less than midgrade, and 50 cents less than premium, which implies that E15 is 5 cents less than E10. Other FE stations price their E15 instead at 25 cents less than midgrade and 50 cents below premium, with their E10 +2 cents more than E15. With the perks card 10 cent grand opening discount, that puts E15 down at 1.94, which is slightly better than 1.98 E10 in BTU/dollar. Lowest price in the region for E10 is 1.99, might be time to buy some E15 again!
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Consumer Reports: Tesla Model 3 = Most Loved Car In USA https://cleantechnica.com/2019/02/01/tesla-model-3-most-loved-car-in-usa/
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A lot to read about at the Tesla Motor club forums. Interesting experiences during winter weathers.
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Reports from owners at another "site" have posted about "cold weather headlight flickering"? Some claim this is related to a software issue. How are yours managing real winter cold weather?
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From what I read, it was 20 to 40% for most areas. I haven't see a rate for my area tho. https://electrek.co/2019/01/18/tesla-increases-supercharger-prices/
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Yikes, I just read the Supercharger rates have been doubled to 0.31 cents a kWh which is similar to what a 30mpg fuel vehicle obtains. Is this correct? Of course home charging is a lot cheaper. Electrify American is bringing out fast plug in stations at at rates of 0.30-0.36 kWh. Some Tesla owners have free lifetime SC usage, others 6 months and some none.
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Yes 5 cents a gallon in Central and Northern Wisconsin at the Kwik Trip stations
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The C-Max Energi plugged in at a National Park in Virginia, next to a Tesla charger.
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photo is here
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It helps to have warmer weather to obtain consistent higher mileage.
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There's IS a lot to take in. Dropping off your car for tint or tires always requires a little training on how to shift (D-R-Park) and how to exit (top button on the door) and where to lift for tires swapping. Always an anxious moment. Tesla definitely has set the standard high and only room for improvement for everyone else. The Tesla charging network, performance, OTA updates and innovation is what made me go that route. No more ICE vehicles for me.
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A lot to learn about the various Tesla "modes" and software items. and other. Want to see what model Y brings. Want to see what the competition does during the next two years and improvements/additions to the supercharger/roadside charging locations.
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I thought this video echoed my feelings about Tesla.
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Sure, you can enable "Chill" mode to decrease performance. The less you use the pedal, the more your range improves. As all vehicles, driving slower gets you more range too. As much as I would like a Y or SAS (air suspension to raise my 3 for easier entry/exit), since I'm 65 and can't work forever, this is probably my last new vehicle and maybe last one ever. If that's the case, I can live with it.
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Thanks for the reply. It seems as if the AWD Tesla has sufficient ground clearance for snow. I'm likely headed/moving to northern Wisconsin for retirement within 1.5 to 2.5 years. I need to have a vehicle to handle 2 to 3 inches of snow on the road and ground clearance is one of my thoughts. (I enjoy Nordic skiing and occasional downhill skiing). I still have the Escape Hybrid now with 183,000 miles on it and it works well in winter conditions as it is 4wd capable. My CMax is low to the ground and with the stock tires (doesn't make sense to obtain winter tires if I still have my Escape Hybrid), probably not the best for real winter conditions. From what I recently read, Ford and VW are now going to share VW's BEM (battery electric modular) platform for future EV. Could be interesting to see what new battery electric vehicles arrive in the future. Tesla is suppose to bring out the "Y" (smaller crossover based upon the 3 series) late in 2019 and this might be an option for me if it can provide over 300 miles of EV range. I wonder if the Tesla allows one to degrade performance (0-60 time) for improved battery range?
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I have a hypermiler buddy in Florida, the same guy who took me under his wing when we both owned Volts and tuned them for E85. About the time I traded my '12 Volt, he picked up a Hyundai Ioniq hybrid (not a plugin), which is rated for about 50 mpg. He tried E85 without a conversion and although he had a CEL only lost about 5 mpg. He averages about 80 mpg per tank on E10. BUT in full disclosure, this guy can milk good mileage out of any vehicle.
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I had a '12 Volt and on a whim (with deadline for tax credit approaching) in December 2017, picked up an '18 Volt. Even though it had everything except adaptive cruise control, I was disappointed in the lack of tech. It was pretty nice having a battery 50% bigger than my 12 and "hold" mode (switch to ice at any time) that I didn't have on my '12 was also nice. I don't know why the Tesla wasn't on my radar at the time as I should have put money down at that time instead of trading in a 10 month old Volt on one. I've got the dual motor (AWD) with winter tires and ground clearance is about a half an inch less than my wife's Buick Encore and it goes anywhere. Acceleration on packed snow is almost as good as dry pavement. Pretty awesome snow machine. I charge to 70% every night to keep the battery warm, but 80 to 90% for road trips. I've charged to 100% maybe 3 times, first at home and twice at a supercharger (same trip, both ways) last fall. That's my longest stretch to the big city until they start adding SC's again next spring. I have about 3,100 miles on the odo with zero battery degradation. A recent 50 mile road trip with speeds of 60 to 65 mph at ~10°F (no wind), starting at 148 miles range and 63 when I arrived home, so 85 miles used to drive 50. I generally allow twice that battery I need for a winter road trip. I also lost about 12 miles of range while parked for 3 hours, about the same I lose on a typical cold work day. Regarding superchargers, if you leave a stall between you and the next car, you get a higher charge rate. The charge starts to slow down as the battery gets full, maybe around 80% (??), but no problem going to 100%. Some locations charge more for the higher %, but my biggest bill was that fall trip and ~$11 for maybe 3/4 of a battery, so pretty cheap. The phone app lets you know when you've reached your set point, but you can change it from the app. The SC's are always near a place to eat and it's easy to just let it keep going while eating. If the location is busy you might need to move the car to avoid an idle fee, but the one location I've frequented has maybe 8 stalls and I've never seen more than 3 of us there. Tesla's don't like cold batteries, maybe because they're built in California? A cold battery after leaving work on a 15°F or colder day means greatly decreased acceleration (grandma mode) and no regen (lots of coasting). The downgrade from an electric sports car is quite humiliating. Thankfully no one has tried to race me on a cold day. All this talk of friction brakes lasting forever don't take winter use into account. You get used to letting regen slow so don't decel until close to a stop, then end up using more brakes than you would in a ice vehicle. E50 is about the max I got with my '09 Ford Escape hybrid before adding a conversion kit to it. Due to the engine not warming up fully for my short commute and E85 producing less heat, I found I had to change my synthetic oil around 7k miles (if I remember correctly). I had it analyzed quite often. I would have thought the weekly road trips (100 to 500 miles) would have cleaned it up. I had ZERO issues with fitment and only a couple of very minor paint issues, nothing worth getting fixed. My only complaint is a nasty howling noise during blow dry at car washes that for all I know might be my rear license plate. And I'm the only one who's about that. Bear in mind that Teslas have the highest rate of satisfaction and you're only seeing the complaints in forums. There's a reason why they're the only car that's selling in the US and Tesla doesn't advertise. Don't take a test drive or you'll be hooked. My only software issue (no autopilot) was taken care of remotely by techs 250 miles away and we have a local ranger that takes care of repairs onsite, although I've never met or needed him. I get OTA updates every couple of weeks and autopilot is pretty awesome. Sounds like you got a nice deal on your C-Max. I was interested in them when I had the Escape and EV mode was limited to maybe 2 miles with very light throttle and under 40 mph, but being able to drive all week with full acceleration and as fast as I wanted to go with the Volt without using the gas engine was awesome. The problem was I hated city driving on gas, which is why I wanted a full-time EV.
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I wonder how high TD is recharging his Tesla battery? To 90%? How high does it charge at the supercharger location?
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Yep, 5 cents! Most Family Express stations have a 5 cent spread. I think there's one in Indy with a 10 cent spread, even my Saint John location was at a 5 cent spread when it opened. The Casey's maintains a 5 cent spread, as does the Murphy's in the area. I'm seeing more and more FE spots doing the 2 cent spread, and as the prices are set at corporate, it must be some sort of price experiment. The Thornton's stations in the area are also going with a 2 cent spread.
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With 183,000 miles on my Ford Escape Hybrid, I can not really tell any difference with the MPG figures compared to when it was new. It is possible that a small change in battery capacity has occurred as I remember Ford buying a 200,000 mile Escape Hybrid and finding like 3% loss.
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Yes I have a 2017 version that can run on E85 up to around E50 before the check engine light comes on. Still have my 2005 Ford Escape Hybrid that has auto 4wd.
