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Posted by James48843 on 11 February 2015 - 12:39 PM

Official: Ethanol levels low in river following derailment
February 10, 2015 7:00 am

DES MOINES (AP) | Results from several monitoring stations along the Mississippi River show much of the ethanol that leaked into the water after several train cars derailed has dissolved, the Iowa Department of Natural Resources said Monday.


DNR spokesman Kevin Baskins said the highest levels of ethanol have been detected nearest the site where 14 cars containing the fuel went off the tracks Wednesday in a steep, remote area north of Dubuque. Eight of the cars that derailed appeared to be leaking.

Baskins said the ethanol dissipated fairly quickly in the first mile downstream, with fuel levels virtually undetectable 10 miles from the site.


He said an additional sampling site was set up over the weekend 130 miles south of the spill, but he said he'd be surprised if ethanol levels appeared that far downstream.


Baskins also said dissolved oxygen levels in the river appear normal so far, which he said is encouraging for the aquatic life in the area.

Officials say they're still unsure how much ethanol spilled into the Mississippi, but Baskins said the approximately 55,000 gallons that remain unaccounted for burned off in the three cars that caught fire, pooled over an acre of ice, soaked into soil in the area and leaked into the river.


As water observation continues, Baskins said removing ethanol covering a section of ice remains a priority. He said thinning ice makes the fuel's removal difficult, because the ice might not support the necessary equipment. Instead, Baskins said the DNR is considering using a compressor to blow air into the water to maintain dissolved oxygen levels as the ice keeps melting.





(Undetectable down river after a spill.  Try doing THAT with Canadian tar-sands crude! ) 



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#45843 Win Free E85 at E85prices.com

Posted by storky on 08 March 2016 - 11:46 AM

Received my prize. Thanks


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#45801 GasBuddy

Posted by James48843 on 05 February 2016 - 07:53 AM

About damn time.  I sent a note to gasbuddy SIX OR SEVEN YEARS AGO asking for this function. 

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#45766 Aaron's Corner

Posted by #1BigHero6Fan on 15 January 2016 - 04:20 PM

Today, I decided to check out the oil price, and as I expected, I nearly had a heart attack. 

This is the lowest it has been in the 10 year history that NYMEX shows. This is unprecedented. I'm going to turn to the folks at Grand Rapids, MI based TheGasGame to explain this one. Ed Aboufadel knows his stuff with economics. I have met with him personally.

Comment on the December 30 prediction:  Prices held steady until we saw a reset on January 4.  It wasn’t what I expected (a Fat Fingered Greed Grab?), but it wasn’t too dramatic either.  1/2 CORRECT, 1/2 WRONG.

Thursday, January 14, 2016, 7:00AM:  A belated Happy New Year!  But it has not been happy for investors in stocks … or energy, with oil dropping to $30 a barrel.  The question on more-and-more minds is whether the markets are adjusting to Federal Reserve policy, and this is another one of those scares that builds up a “wall of worry”, or if the markets are predicting, or maybe causing, a new recession.  Looking back over my adult life, years where we changed Presidents have not been too hot, economy-wise (e.g. 2008, 2000, 1992, 1980).

For those playing The Gas Game, though, we should be in really good shape.  Wholesale gas prices have dropped below $1, reflecting the collapse of oil prices, and with taxes and other costs, I estimate a price to retailers this morning of $1.56.  With the cheapest gas in GR at $1.75, we have room to drop, and I predict we’ll see noticeable downside action through the weekend. — Ed A.

- See more at: http://www.thegasgam...h.J7IViPt4.dpuf

We're showing prices that are unbelievably cheap here. I tell folks that they don't have to be old to remember cheap gasoline prices. I remember $1.60 from when I was, say, 10. I even have this photo that I happened to take when I was 10 with a camera I had just received for Christmas. (look real closely towards the bottom left. I was taking photos left and right, and wasn't necessarily aiming for the price sign)Attached File  100_4828.JPG   77.11KB   0 downloads


One of the reasons I got into E85 and more broadly, ethanol, was because it was being sold at prices I never thought I would see again. The first price I remember for E85 is $2.999/gallon, and this was in June 2012. The first price I paid myself was $3.099/gallon, and I thought that was incredibly cheap. This was the first tank of E85 I put in the Sebring, and I'm proudly using E85 over 3 years later. After the financial collapse of 2008 and the plummeting energy prices which closely followed, we slowly began to see prices recover through late 2009 and 2010. My narrative in 2012 and 2013 was that prices finally breached $3/gallon right after Christmas 2010, never to come back down (with a few exceptions here and there). I figured simply because I was 19 in 2012, that I would never see the cheap prices my parents and other adults I've talked to have told stories about. 


Here is an interesting comparison. To begin 2012, Meijer was building a brand new store in a rather confusing area that is technically in East Lansing. It's technically East Lansing, but near Haslett and Bath Township, right on the Ingham/Clinton county line, and right outside of Meridian Township. Anyhow, I was extremely excited for this store to open. The station opened in April 2012, with the hypermarket a short time later. Here is a picture with the first prices, dated April 19, 2012. Attached File  Aaron's iPhone 136 - Copy.JPG   170.71KB   0 downloads


Now check out what the prices looked like last Saturday.

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See the change?


And so now, the question of viability comes into play. How is it possible for retailers to sell ethanol at such cheap prices? Furthermore, how is it feasible for ethanol plants to produce it for such cheap prices? These are questions that I don't quite have answers to. However, one thing I have noted is how high diesel prices remained as gasoline prices began to tumble. Kerosene prices also stayed high. The price difference between the different grades of gasoline has also gone up. Many folks figure that premium is much better for their cars, even if they only require regular. And with such cheap fuel prices, why not? Well, these higher midgrade and premium prices, higher kerosene prices, and higher diesel prices have helped to cushion significant losses for both ethanol-based fuels and regular gasoline. But now, diesel is below $2/gallon in spots. Kerosene just took a tumble - a full dollar per gallon in price - to $2.99 around these parts. So what now? How are retailers making up for losses? I can tell you now, at $1.55/gallon, nobody is making money (on the retail standpoint and further upstream).


The other night, the dad and I got fuel at the brand new NUVU fuel station in Ionia, Michigan. He said out loud that he feels bad for fellow ethanol folks to sell at such cheap prices. We filled up at $1.199.

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I remember spending an entire evening in June 2013 driving out to Romulus (right by Detroit Metro Airport) just to fill up at $2.52/gallon. Two weeks later, I drove 7 hours one way to fill up at $1.749/gallon. June 2014 I drove out to Omaha to fill up at $0.85/gallon. Then, I get fuel for $0.499/gallon at the end of December 2014. And it was only discounted 30 cents/gallon. 

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Granted, I'm not a full-fledged economist with tons of credentials and decades of experience, but even those folks did not see the plummet in fuel prices coming. 


Why have prices plummeted? OPEC has waged a full-out war on the world. In recent years, various factors have come into play that cut into OPEC profits. Many nations, including our own, have realized that dependency on someone else is not a good economic solution. We've undertaken numerous renewable energy drives - including ethanol - and have found oil deposits in our own backyards. And now, according to the last statistic I had heard, less than 1 in 6 barrels of our oil comes from an OPEC country. We produce that much of our own oil. And yes, renewable fuels such as ethanol and advances in battery technology have contributed a large part of that. But even still, OPEC should not be able to influence our fuel pricing and economy this way. And yet, they still are. So what happens going forward? We get dependent on petroleum again.


This is as much of a double-edged sword as I've ever seen. Because of cheap fuel prices, folks have more money to spend. Aside from one of the weaker black-friday shopping days we've seen in a while, the price of fuel has been fantastic for business. Folks have more spending money. And they're going out more, using more gasoline. People are back to buying larger SUVs and trucks. Hybrid demand is not nearly what it was when prices skyrocketed in 2008. Flex fuel vehicle production is down a bit. And once folks are hooked on gasoline, we're right back to the embargo of 1973. We've undone decades of progress.

But in the meantime, ethanol and other alternative fuels are having as hard a time as ever. I must say though, I'm impressed at how ethanol is holding its own. Demand for it is relatively strong, and the price is staying competitive in many markets. I see $1.35 for E85 out on the west side of Lansing right now, and I think that's expensive - but then I do a double take and remember thinking I'd never see anything below $2.99 again. I've said before how ethanol is extremely resilient. 2008 and 2012 were two of the toughest years imaginable for ethanol. The collapse of VeraSun, the droughts of both 2008 and 2012 (most notably the latter), and skyrocketing corn prices. And yet, ethanol held its own and emerged stronger than ever. We've seen a continual spike in the number of stations dispensing higher blends even with gasoline being so cheap. I must praise companies like RaceTrac for bringing E85 to states like Florida, Louisiana, and Texas. These are not the first states you'd think of when you think of ethanol. Now you could argue the merits behind that, and why exactly these retailers are doing that, but it is encouraging to see significant growth. So I have no doubt that ethanol will be able to weather this storm too.


But it won't be easy.


I got to thinking once I saw the basement-low price of crude oil earlier this afternoon. The plummeting price of gasoline is horrible for alternatives. I mean E85 must be priced competitively with gasoline to be able to sell well, and while in many areas it is - that still isn't enough for some folks to use it, many of whom insist that $1.55 for regular ain't that bad either. This is not the only problem on the horizon.


This winter has been one of the lousiest I could think of. We're well below normal on snowfall and temperatures have largely been mild and above average. In my memory, nearly every time a winter has a powerful start, it is overall a lousy winter. And this winter has proven as such. We had an 8 inch plus snow here in Michigan back in November. It was great, and I loved seeing it. But in the time since, we have had very little. We ended the month of December with 1.9" of snow here. That is almost a record low. So I segway into my next area of discussion. Years with lousy winters tend to have hot and dry summers to follow. Look at 2011-2012. Perfect textbook example. My mom's 50th birthday in November 2011 was filled with freezing rain, rain, and 8 inches of wet snow. The rest of the winter was mild and saw much below average snowfall. In March 2012, we saw record high temperatures fall one after another. We even hit 86 degrees, in March! That was unprecedented, and indeed was the warmest temperature ever recorded in the month of March here in Lansing. The record warmth lasted for just over a week. Soon after, in one of what I would argue was the most predictable turn of events in meteorological history, much of the midwestern United States saw freeze after frost after freeze after freeze. Look at Traverse City, Michigan, for example. Some 90 percent of the cherry crop was decimated, because the tree flowers bloomed in the March warmth, and were then destroyed by the repeated freezes and frosts. The same thing happened to many other crops. Then, we had a summer that was as hot and dry as many folks could remember in their lifetime, unless they had been around for the Dust Bowl. Some 76% of the geographical area in the United States was under some level of drought at the July 2012 peak. And then, we hit 100 degrees here in Lansing for the first time in nearly 24 years. Not surprisingly, corn prices shot through the roof. Ethanol prices followed.


My concern is that this could happen again in 2016. I'm going to say that it would be wise for ethanol producers to hedge their bets. Now I must put in the disclaimer that this is what VeraSun did in 2008, largely leading to their bankruptcy to close the year. But here's how it's different. VeraSun locked in corn contracts at $6.50/bushel. Corn prices are nearly half that right now - $3.50/bushel. Based on history, I believe it is unlikely for prices to fall significantly further. As it is, farmers aren't making much at this price. If 2012 is repeated, it is imperative to prepare ahead of time.


I'll add more to this later as the thoughts come to me. I apologize for ranting here, but there is a lot I have been thinking about lately. Please, by all means, I aim to start a discussion - so feel free to reply.

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#45623 Vw vs The EPA

Posted by Greengenes on 22 September 2015 - 08:28 PM

 We have a '13 Jetta TDI.   Gets great mpgs.  Decent performance climbing the hills.


 I've been trying for awhile now to find out how to get past running B20 .  VWAmerica


claims it's not at all possible because of timing/DI setup.  I wanted to be at least part-way


environmentally friendly.  Now it appears top-level VW management is not just filthy rich,


but just plain filthy.  Won't be buying their products again , EVER.   Danke Sehr.

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#45277 Image

Posted by fleebut on 30 April 2015 - 11:40 AM

That would work and bit of humor just the ticket. Successful ads often get a chuckle and attention from viewer. How about "E85 makes your car happy". The clear liquid, clean fuel, and consumer can relate back to a happy experience with food grade product. Nice. Follow up with rusty gunked up gasoline can with health warnings per inhalation and skin contact.   

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#45139 Howdy

Posted by TinkerFreak on 03 April 2015 - 02:31 PM

Well...it's not like I've been making a bunch of noise over here or anything B) . I've been pretty quiet and carrying a big stick. 100k on e85 proved plenty.


I'm hoping to have a special surprise for the Pentastar E85 crowd shortly.

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#45094 Ethanol Producer Magazine Features E85prices.com

Posted by Fuelinggood on 23 March 2015 - 01:20 PM

The RFA needs your help to promote and update...
By Holly Jessen | March 23, 2015

A while ago, I stumbled on a cool website. E85prices.com uses crowd sourced information to give consumers information about retail locations that sell E85 and at what price. 

As it turns out, I wasn’t the only one with my eye on it. At the end of February, the Renewable Fuels Association announced it acquired that website and another one, E85vehicles.com.

In the time since then, the RFA has already made some improvements. Robert White, vice president of industry relations for RFA, told me the first order of business was updating the information at both websites. Since the purchase, RFA has added more than 30 new E85 to the database and work is ongoing add other missing stations. As of today, the website lists 3,455 total U.S. E85 stations in 2,154 cities as well as 291 blender pumps mid- and high-level blends. RFA is also working to add 2015 FFVs to E85vehicles.com.

“As for future improvements, we plan to refine the websites and mobile app to be as user-friendly as possible to encourage more people to utilize both,” he said. “All of the important information will remain, but we will streamline and make navigation easier. More announcements will come in the future.”

E85vehicles.com offers consumers a way to find out what options they have if they want to purchase a new or used flex-fuel vehicle. It also helps drivers identify if they already own an FFV. Finally, it includes an online forum that’s quite popular already and RFA hopes to introduce to even more people. “It has nearly 2,000 registered users talking about all things ethanol,” White said. “There are racing discussions, conversions, state laws and regs, new station development, FFVs and more. We encourage all interested parties to participate and grow the numbers participating and information shared.”

White told me RFA purchased E85prices.com and E85vehicles.com because they were well populated with information. “E85prices.com became a very popular website because there was really nothing else like it available to consumers,” he said, adding that, “E85 supporters tend to be quite enthusiastic about finding and promoting the best E85 prices in their areas.”

Last summer, RFA used the data at E85prices.com to point out to the U.S. DOE that their E85 stations database was lacking. At that time the DOE’s Alternative Fuels Data Center database listed nearly 1,000 less E85 stations than the 3,349 E85 stations listed at E85prices.com. “RFA highlighted that not only would this hinder consumers and fleets from finding E85, it is also the data that is used by EPA for setting the annual RVO for the RFS,” he said. “If you miss 30 percent of the stations, numbers can change dramatically, and not to the benefit of the ethanol industry.”

However, despite the fact that E85prices.com has the best list of E85 stations available, there is more work to be done. Currently, no E85 prices are reported in more than half of states. While some of those states may have very few or even no E85 stations (Maine is one example), there are more that do have E85 stations that are simply not being reported at E85prices.com.

RFA believes this is because consumers in some states simply don’t know about the website, White told me. The organization plans to work to promote the website and ask others, such as RFA members, retail gas stations and partners like the national and state corn growers and American lung association groups, Clean Cities coalitions and others to promote it as well. The goal is to update the data before bringing it to the attention of the DOE again. “We plan to again breakdown the two databases station-by-station and again provide that list to DOE,” he said. “RFA believes it is important, and if it is a matter of resources, DOE should allocate more to this effort.”

Here’s another couple of interesting tidbits. Ten other websites were purchased by RFA at the same time. These were websites with domain names that the RFA will use as auto forwards to existing RFA websites. An example of this is a website named blenderpumps.com that now takes people to BYOethanol.com, a website about ethanol blending and blender pumps.

Secondly, E85prices.com isn’t limited to listing E85 prices. Prices for E15 and other ethanol blends, such as E20 and E30, can also be recorded at the website.

Personally, I plan to register and make sure the information provided about stations in the town I live in is correct and I hope you will too. I think that, plus reporting prices, is a small thing we as individuals can do to help the ethanol industry that could have a potentially big impact. White agreed, telling me that, “the data being reported, both pricing experiences and station updates, is important for the success of the ethanol industry. We will be using the data to help with the RFS debate with policymakers and everyday consumers,” he said. “The more data that is collected, the better the data will be for all of us.”

If you are interested, go to E85prices.com and click on the second tab over from the left, Submit E85 Prices. It’s below the red bar that lists the total number of stations and cities E85 and other ethanol blends are sold in.



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#44904 Anyone have a Chevy Volt running on E85?

Posted by Billyk24 on 28 January 2015 - 06:35 PM

Please read this link:  



Someone has already did what you are seeking.


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#44700 Gasisoutragous ..Aaron is now a Global Moderator

Posted by Dan M on 30 December 2014 - 10:08 AM

Congrats Aaron !   Since Planet E85 is Aarons second Home it's only fitting that he be allowed to help keep it clean  ;)


If he starts acting like a dictator .  feel free to overthrow him  :lol:

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#43947 Isobutanol - the next gen biofuel

Posted by Thumpin455 on 30 August 2014 - 03:09 PM

Looked into this a while back. While it takes 10 gallons of water to produce one gallon of ethanol, using bakers yeast and a few gallons less using a hardier strain of yeast, you can reuse the water as is, or release it back to the environment without issue. Isobutanol uses 100 gallons to produce one gallon of fuel, leaves the water toxic and it must be treated before being used for fuel production or released back to the environment. Its made with bacteria and they are far more sensitive to living in their own waste than yeast. The toxicity of the fuel is also an issue, because spills would be hazardous just like gasoline. Im not sure how easy it is to put out a fire fed by isobutanol, but ethanol takes simple water while gasoline takes foam.


That isobutanol doesnt absorb water means rusted fuel tanks and water in fuel system problems just like gasoline, ethanol absorbs water but allows you to burn it. it mixes readily and causes no harm to anything until you get over 35% water in the fuel, and then it is only untreated/non anodized soft aluminum. Im not sure of its corrosive properties, so that might be a non issue. 


The food vs fuel is useless since most of the feedstocks we can use for ethanol production are not food for humans. Kudzu, cattails, and other weeds grow profusely and yield far more ethanol than corn does. The water issue is of bigger concern with butanol because it requires so much more and requires treatment before reuse or release. Sure we can make it, but at a cost of drinking water and more expense due to treatment after producing butanol.


Having a far lower octane means less power potential, less efficiency, and needing larger engines due to lower compression ratios. I didnt look into its latent heat of vaporization characteristics but I doubt it will be as efficient as ethanol at cooling the intake charge. Sure butanol is higher than gasoline, but that isnt saying much. How does it run under boost and heavy loads? What emissions does it have? Does it leave a carbon deposit in the engine under combustion like gasoline does, or is it clean burning like ethanol producing only CO2 and H2O? 


Lastly the BTU content is a red herring, as BTU is simply heating one pound of water one degree. Engines are not designed to merely heat water, its a byproduct of combustion and gasoline is still below 20% efficient, meaning it wastes 80% of its energy heating the engine, water, and air around it than powering whatever its being burned in. Ethanol is 40% efficient in the real world, 42% in the lab, at least according to the US Navy who tested it back in WWII. That means it only wastes 60% of its energy heating things up, which is part of why ethanol runs cooler. Candle wax and bees wax have high BTU content too, but they arent really good fuels for transportation engines. The comparatively paltry BTU deficiency of ethanol is nothing compared to the wasted energy of gasoline. So freaking what if butanol has almost as much BTU as gasoline, we arent heating water with it.

My big issue is the water used in production and the lower octane. High compression engines are more efficient, which is why compression ratios have been creeping upwards and why we have direct injection showing up now, because its a bandaid for the crappy octane of gasoline. We are trying to get more from the fuel we burn, and squeezing it harder does that, the problem is gasoline cant stand being squeezed very hard and it explodes too soon, which requires retarded timing, lower compression ratios, and shedding as much heat as possible to prevent detonation. Carbon build up from gasoline negatively impacts the propensity to preignite, as well as wearing out the engine sooner. It remains to be seen how isobutanol fares in comparison. It might be a decent bandaid for gasoline engines, but it cant compete with ethanol in many areas.


I think the biggest reason butanol has backing is that not any old Joe can produce it easily and cheaply in his back yard. They can control the production entirely, because the bacteria that make it will kill you if you try to make it yourself like you can make ethanol. the amount of water required makes it prohibitively expensive for the average Joe to to produce it, and the environmental impact would be massive if they started dumping the left over waste water. Think Canadian Tar Sands ecological nightmare and tailings escaping into rivers. Ethanol spills kill bacteria, but little else, and its biodegradable with sunlight and easily diluted with water.

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#43692 New Cummins Medium Duty Truck Engine Tuned for E85

Posted by storky on 14 July 2014 - 12:12 PM




COLUMBUS, Indiana (July 14, 2014) – Today, Cummins Inc. (NYSE: CMI) announced the development of an engine and powertrain that reduce carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions by as much as 80 percent compared with a baseline gasoline-powered medium-duty truck. . .


The Cummins ETHOS 2.8L is designed specifically to use E-85, a clean-burning blend of 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline. To take full advantage of the favorable combustion attributes and potential of E-85, the engine operates at diesel-like cylinder pressures and incorporates advanced spark-ignition technology. It delivers the power (up to 250 hp) and peak torque (up to 450 lb-ft) of gasoline and diesel engines nearly twice its 2.8-liter displacement . . .


Using corn-derived E-85, the high thermal efficiency and power-to-weight ratio of this engine results in 50 to 58 percent lower well-to-wheels CO2 emissions compared with the gasoline engine baseline. Using second-generation lignocellulosic-derived E-85, the powertrain’s efficiency features deliver an impressive 75 to 80 percent lower well-to-wheels CO2 emissions, depending on the drive cycle. . .

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#43522 60mgy "energy tobacco" plant in North Carolina... seriously!

Posted by BJoe on 19 June 2014 - 05:08 PM

wow, between the alcohol, and the nicotine... our cars will be total addicts!  Suppose they can make ethanol from coffee grounds?  Our cars could then have alcohol, nicotine, and caffine!

I have to wonder, if you have a bunch of cars start up at the same time while burning both corn and tobacco ethanol, will the parking lot start smelling like a bar a closing time?

Guess it's a good thing you can't program a car to be a womanizer too............
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#43516 60mgy "energy tobacco" plant in North Carolina... seriously!

Posted by HuskerFlex on 19 June 2014 - 08:33 AM

wow, between the alcohol, and the nicotine... our cars will be total addicts!  Suppose they can make ethanol from coffee grounds?  Our cars could then have alcohol, nicotine, and caffine!

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#43301 Took the tour of Monticello today....

Posted by TD on 12 May 2014 - 05:39 PM

Rick I see you paid $2.44 in Alexandria... :)


Yes, it was me. I confess I did it. I liked it and I'm proud of it and I'll probably do it again. :D

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#43232 CHS to acquire Illinois River Energy ethanol plant

Posted by HuskerFlex on 01 May 2014 - 07:14 AM



CHS to acquire Illinois River Energy ethanol plant

CHS Inc., North America's leading farmer-owned cooperative and a global energy, grains and foods company, has announced it has signed an agreement with Sinav Ltd. of London, England, to acquire 100 percent of the company's stock, which includes Illinois River Energy LLC, a 133 MMgy  ethanol plant at Rochelle, Ill.


Providing all conditions are met, the transaction is expected to close in June.


"Illinois River Energy is a top-tier ethanol plant, well-situated in a strategic growth area that will add value to our farmer-owners through expanded grain origination, additional renewable fuels gallons and distillers grain by-products," said Mark Palmquist, CHS executive vice president and chief operating officer of business. 


CHS markets renewable fuels to energy customers across the U.S. and through 1,400 Cenex- branded retail petroleum outlets, including more than 1,000 Cenex convenience stores, and markets dried distillers grains with solubles (DDGS) globally on behalf of more than 20 ethanol plants across the United States. 


"We have enjoyed a strong business relationship with CHS as they have been our ethanol marketer since the start of Illinois River Energy operations in 2006. Today, we look forward to formally joining CHS and adding value to the global cooperative as an ethanol, DDGS, and distillers corn oil producer," said Richard Ruebe, CEO of Illinois River Energy.


CHS Inc. is a leading global agribusiness owned by farmers, ranchers and cooperatives across the United States. Diversified in energy, grains and foods, CHS is committed to helping its customers, farmer-owners and other stakeholders grow their businesses through its domestic and global operations. CHS, a Fortune 100 company, supplies energy, crop nutrients, grain marketing services, animal feed, food and food ingredients, along with business solutions including insurance, financial and risk management services. The company operates petroleum refineries/pipelines and manufactures, markets and distributes Cenex brand refined fuels, lubricants, propane and renewable energy products...




I know that this plant supplies e85 directly to the Petro truck stop at the interstate intersection just a few miles away... which consistently has some of if not THE best prices in the state... I hope this doesn't jeopardize this!


On the positive side, if CHS has been their ethanol distributor since they were built, this SHOULD simply put more of the operation under their direct control.  This should increase their profit margins, possibly seeing them pass on some of this to consumers...  even better if they started a "northern IL" version of yellow hose with a massive and quickly growing network of e85 stations that they supplied directly from the plant! ;)

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#42686 Total BS from Gasbuddy...ethanol that's part of the gasoline mixture has...

Posted by 1outlaw on 08 March 2014 - 01:46 PM

Maybe the crude trains are tying up the tracks.

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#42426 Fight China's Smog with Ethanol (NO NO NO)

Posted by storky on 10 February 2014 - 12:48 PM

Coal power generation is largely responsible for the smog in China, not automotive exhaust. They're barking up the wrong tree.


In 2007 I was invited to Suzhou to train engineers in our China division. Suzhou prohibits all two-cycle engines so most of its vehicular traffic is comprised of bicycles and electric scooters. There were autos, but even at the height of rush, they were outnumbered 30 to one.


I arrived the day after the remnants of a typhoon had swept the air clear. My colleagues retracted accusations of altering photos I had sent them to highlight the blue skies. They were taking snaps like crazy to record these days for posterity.


The visibility from my 45th floor hotel room was phenominal. I could make out much of the landscape as much as eight miles distant. Three miles away, however, with smoke stacks that towered as high as my hotel room, was the nearest coal generation plant belching brown/grey smoke.


By the third day of my visit, the smog had reduced my hotel room window visibility to the point where the smoke stacks were merely hazy outlines. By day six, I couldn't see the stacks and the air has a dusty taint. As I got used to the persistant odor, food started tasting bland.


The last day of my stay was uncomfortatble. I started to experience respiratory heaviness and while washing up, I started hacking up brown-colored sputum. A majority of cyclists and pedestrians we passed as we left the city had donned particle masks. The air quality improved markedly and incrementally as we made our way to Shanghai. Shanghai, though far more densely populated, is not nearly as polluted due to the ocean breeze.


China is doing their damnedest to promote green energy -- all new highrise construction we passed featured pv and thermal solar panels on southern facades, some even shaded the room air conditioners that jutted from each apartment. They are just growing too fast to surrender coal generation and they are paying the price with diminishing public health.

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