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CA AB 118 and Low Carbon Fuels Standard
« on: April 13, 2009, 06:13:25 PM »
Check this out:

The California Energy Commission's Vice Chair and Presiding Member, James Boyd, in charge of the outcome of spending of the funds for CA's AB 118 and involved with ARB's use of ILUC in establishing LCFS, is MARRIED TO THE COO AND CHIEF OF STAFF OF THE WESTERN STATES PETROLEUM ASSOCIATION (WSPA), Catherine Reheis-Boyd - employed there 20 years.  Their family income includes compensation from WSPA, gained from the Big Oil companies!
 
THE WSPA IS:
 
"the oldest petroleum trade association in the United
States and represents oil companies that account for the bulk of petroleum

marketing in California. See, www.wspa.org/what-is-wspa.aspx. The

WSPA advocates for petroleum marketers before the legislature and

regulators in California. It works closely with other oil industry trade

associations such as the American Petroleum Institute and the Petroleum

Marketers Association of America, including PMAA national member

California Independent Oil Marketers Association. Its members include

Chevron, BP, Conoco Phillips, ExxonMobil, Shell, Tesoro, and Valero,

among others."

 

http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/resources/CECLetter2-9-09.pdf

 

http://www.wspa.org/offices-staff.aspx

 

http://charlotte.bizjournals.com/charlotte/prnewswire/press_releases/national/California/2009/03/17/DC85128

 

http://www.energy.ca.gov/proceedings/2008-ALT-1/index.html

 

This last link is a run-down of communications from WSPA to J. Boyd (couldn't they just have had his wife tell him?!).  At least it is public record...

 

http://www.energy.ca.gov/2009_energypolicy/documents/2009-02-10_workshop/comments/WSPA_Joe_Sparano_Comments_TN-50222.pdf

 

"We are working with CARB, the Energy Commission, the Governor’s office and others to see

that AB 32 and the Governor’s Low Carbon Fuel Standard are implemented in a manner that

does not lead to reduced transportation fuel supplies. We believe it is important to recall the

fundamental purpose of the IEPR – “to develop energy policies that conserve resources, protect

the environment, ensure energy reliability, enhance the state's economy, and protect public health

and safety.”

 

"WSPA and its member companies are committed to working cooperatively with state agencies to

develop a workable and effective LCFS program. Due to the risks associated with negatively

impacting California’s transportation energy fuel supplies, implementing an LCFS will not be an

easy task.

It is essential that the LCFS be designed and implemented in ways that will not discourage

further investment in California’s petroleum-based fuels infrastructure. CEC projections over the

next several years show a large and growing gap between gasoline and diesel demand and the

ability of the state’s refineries to supply those fuels.

Several real constraints impact the ability of transportation fuel suppliers to supply their

California customers, including the availability of large volumes of low-carbon fuels and

conventional fuels to meet the transportation fuel requirements of the large and diverse

California markets.

We have urged creation of a stepwise implementation process where the CEC and ARB review

and evaluate progress. Together, the CEC and CARB should first jointly make a determination

that adequate LCFS fuel supplies and infrastructure are in place to allow implementation of the

next steps of the LCFS in an orderly manner and with minimal disruption to the state’s

transportation fuel market.

Additionally, the LCFS program should have firm, well-defined and scheduled milestones at

which the CEC and ARB review and evaluate progress, and jointly make findings and

determinations. Policy makers can then be alerted to the potential for disruptions in

transportation fuel supplies and associated market volatility, using complete, transparent reports

to the Governor and Legislature.

We previously submitted copies of WSPA letters on this subject: One of them written April 2, 2007

to Brian Prusnek of the Governor’s office; the other written May 7, 2007 to Catherine Witherspoon,

Executive Officer of CARB. We are attaching those letters to this testimony because they contain

important comments, recommendations, and concerns about the LCFS. We request they be

incorporated into the record of these proceedings.

As mentioned in the May 7th letter, WSPA strongly urges ARB and the CEC to formally

establish a technical collaborative process, such as described in Attachment 1. We believe this is

essential to help develop two important and credible technical tools necessary to implement

successfully a scientifically and technically sound and cost-effective LCFS and to assure that the

ARB and the CEC rely on the best available economic and scientific information:

A widely accepted and accurate full fuel cycle analysis method will be needed. It is noteworthy

that the May 1, 2007, UC draft, A low-carbon Fuel Standard for California, says there is no

widely agreed on full-cycle analysis method, none has undergone rigorous review, and the

products of the existing fuel cycle analysis are “in many cases highly uncertain.” It confirms that

further review and development of a widely accepted, credible full cycle analysis tool are

necessary."

 

"WSPA also recommends that CEC use a California-specific dynamic simulation transportation

energy model to evaluate and compare various LCFS scenarios for their economic impact. Such

a model would enhance the ability of CEC and ARB to evaluate the economy-wide and sectorspecific

impacts of LCFS measures to help assure the rules are cost-effective and equitable

within the requirements of AB 32.

The question of biofuels, especially in the context of the LCFS, is another area that should be

addressed in the 2007 IEPR. Biofuels are in increasingly higher demand and might not be

available in sufficient quantities to supply California. The President has suggested around a fivefold

nation-wide increase in the federal renewable fuel mandate.

Fleets are using increasing volumes of biofuels, and several states have or are considering

biofuels mandates. California will be competing for these supplies, and the state still produces

precious little in-state volumes.

The early-year goals of the LCFS may be achieved by low-level blends of first-generation

biofuels in conventional gasoline and diesel. However, meeting the LCFS’s 10 percent reduction

in carbon intensity will likely require significant volumes of second generation, low-carbon

intensity biofuels. The technology for cost-competitive, commercial-scale production of these

fuels does not yet exist, despite decades of work.

Even with meaningful technology breakthroughs, it may be difficult in the contemplated

timeframes to obtain the approvals, community support and funding necessary to build a large

alternative fuels industry in California. This is a real vulnerability, given the significant land use,

water use, equipment and energy requirements of a cellulosic or other biomass-based industry.

The most energy efficient use of biomass is for power generation rather than as a raw material for

the production of biofuels. So, a more sensible state strategy may be to encourage biomass use for

electrical generation. In any case, future biofuels may be competing with electrical generation for

limited biomass resources."

 

What a tangled web!

 

No doubt, if the income and spousal relationship are a concern for J. Boyd, it could lead to pushing for an AB 118 and LCFS that would minimize the use of ethanol and pour tax money into efforts toward other technologies that are not likely to succeed in the near term (ensuring continued use of high priced gasoline and continued record oil company profits).

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Re: CA AB 118 and Low Carbon Fuels Standard
« Reply #98 on: May 19, 2010, 06:23:22 PM »
If I answer that, Sac, Dan will just take my comment down.  No use bothering.

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Re: CA AB 118 and Low Carbon Fuels Standard
« Reply #97 on: May 19, 2010, 05:13:36 PM »
Some good points there Sac ;)

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Re: CA AB 118 and Low Carbon Fuels Standard
« Reply #96 on: May 19, 2010, 04:45:12 PM »
I wonder if Air Resources Board will listen to someone ELSE (other than Dan Sperling) from their University of California Davis' publication "Agricultural and Resource Economics Update," those being David Zilberman, Gal Hochman of UC Berkeley Dept. of Ag Econ. and Deepak Rajagopal, postdoctoral scholar at the Energy Biosciences Institute at UC Berkeley?

http://www.agecon.ucdavis.edu/extension/update/issues/v13n4.pdf

This is a great read to add to the growing LIBRARY of consensus against the indirect land use numbers that CA ARB (Nichols/Sperling) have been spear-heading a la Timothy Searchinger, environmental activist attorney.

In a nutshell:

The U.S. doesn't control other nation's policies.  We could cut demand for corn and still see Brazilians burning down their rain forests due to their own regional needs and lack of strong policies or enforcement.

The Hertel 2010 updated research shows that Searchinger's ILUC value is 3 TIMES too high.

Crop prices vary drastically from country to country and among crops over time.

Since 1920 U.S. yields have increased 10-fold, while since 1920 U.S. crop acreage has decreased.

The presence of ILUC creates inconsistencies with other policies and factors considered.

Where do indirect effects end?  It's like a game of "on the one hand" vs. "well on the other hand" ad nauseum.

How about that Conservation Reserve Program?  Does that not take into effect the indirect land use change of taking U.S. crop land out of production....slippery slope here!!  (No, it does not.  Big inconsistency.)

Climate change policy requires consistent policies around the world.  Changing something in a small region only shifts it to another region to produce or use, with likely inefficiencies and increased pollution aspects.

Since when does U.S. sovereign government (federal or state) take into effect the economically driven indirect effects of other nations?  Big slippery slope here (ie. we have a huge demand for "Walmart" goods, and have third world nations produce those, which actually release far more GHGs and other pollutants than would be if we produced them here).

This has been an EXCELLENT read pertaining to the consideration of whether ILUC should even be included in the first place--it should not!  So, will CA ARB (within miles of UC Davis and UC Berkeley, and highly dependent on their research) take this into consideration?  I would love to sit at a table with these UC researchers and UC Davis' Dan Sperling to hash this one out!

Do you suppose, Rufus, that the President himself would notarize this document and hand-deliver it to Nichols, to stop this silliness?  Would that make any difference?       ?
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Re: CA AB 118 and Low Carbon Fuels Standard
« Reply #95 on: May 07, 2010, 12:44:07 AM »
You could have that study notarized by The Good Lord, himself, and it wouldn't make any difference to those folks.  They won't even read it.

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Purdue GTAP Cuts CA ARB ILUC in Half
« Reply #94 on: May 06, 2010, 11:46:06 PM »
http://domesticfuel.com/2010/04/29/purdue-report-disputes-indirect-land-use-findings/

"A recently completed state-of-the-art analysis from Purdue University concludes that the California Air Resources Board (ARB) overestimated the indirect land use change (ILUC) impact of grain-based ethanol by a factor of two in developing its Low Carbon Fuels Standard (LCFS) one year ago.

Renewable Fuels Association LogoThe Renewable Fuels Association sent a letter sent this week to ARB Chair Mary Nichols pointing out this dramatic conclusion and reminded her of the board’s promise to review and incorporate new science as it becomes available. In the letter, RFA President Bob Dinneen wrote:

“New research conducted and published by Purdue University using the Global Trade Analysis Project model (GTAP) concludes that land use change emissions potentially associated with corn ethanol expansion are likely less than half of the level estimated by the California Air Resources Board (ARB) staff for the LCFS. While we continue to have grave concerns about including highly uncertain and prescriptive indirect emissions penalties in the LCFS (for instance, we do not believe ARB has the authority to account for ILUC consistent with the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution), we write to point out the new Purdue findings because we believe ARB has committed itself to consider and respond to critical developments like these.”
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Re: CA AB 118 and Low Carbon Fuels Standard
« Reply #93 on: April 08, 2010, 10:14:03 AM »
At 8:30 a.m. PST today the LCFS Working Group for ARB is meeting and it can be watched via webcast at the link below.  Also, questions can be asked and answered during the event through an e-mail, which is scheduled to last to 5 p.m.

http://www.calepa.ca.gov/broadcast/?BDO=1

ewg@arb.ca.gov

The questions are made public and posted on the ARB website.  Any takers on asking questions that point out the conflicts of interest or the odd choices they are using for indirect land use, etc.?
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Re: CA AB 118 and Low Carbon Fuels Standard
« Reply #92 on: March 14, 2010, 05:39:52 PM »
Rusty, you are correct that Pimental is a bug scientist.  And yes, you are correct that they should stick to their field of study.

In retrospect it is absolutely absurd that so many are staking their anti-ethanol viewpoints on a bug guy's research.  If the tables were turned, WE would be the laughing stocks!   ;D
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Re: CA AB 118 and Low Carbon Fuels Standard
« Reply #91 on: March 14, 2010, 11:03:48 AM »
Those **** beetles!  I always knew they were gay!  They eat half the leaves off my grape vines every year!  I want them dead.  I want to commit genocide on them.   ;D

Anyway, it always seems like those that study bugs are the weird ones.  Wasn't Pimento also a bug scientist?  I think these guys need to stick to their field of study, and not stick their neck out in a place it doesn't belong.
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Re: CA AB 118 and Low Carbon Fuels Standard
« Reply #90 on: March 13, 2010, 10:24:57 PM »
Outlaw, surprisingly I've seen false negative ethanol information come from Iowa, Indiana, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Missouri, and Illinois at one time or another, I believe, from land grant universities.  This is the "fail safe" of Big Oil.  See, they can say--"LOOK!  We went to the place where, if anywhere, they would be biased positive for corn ethanol and STILL we got these negative results."

It would be like getting someone at a university near Houston, TX to declare that corn ethanol is superior to petroleum in nearly every way (well, except that it would be TRUTH).

All they had to do was plant a few wacko's that are in it for the $$$ (or just identify them where they already were)--regardless of what university, they can be found.  At Eastern Illinois University I sparred several times with a researcher (Paul Switzer) studying the homosexual tendencies of the Japanese Beetle, as he was convinced that corn ethanol was from the devil.  He was funded by the USDA.  Not sure if he had a connection to Oil, as I gave up on the guy.  I will do a little research though.

http://www.eiu.edu/~biology/personnel/switzer.php

http://www.ux1.eiu.edu/~cfpvs/research.html



Regarding his research--he must have been hoping to find a pheromone that would cause the males to leave the females alone, to control population.  Either that or he just got a kick out of studying it.  He was weird but liked by most.  Kind of like that Russ Finley guy.  He even got together a small club to petition the City of Charleston to not allow an ethanol plant to build nearby.  In the end the plant wasn't built (bad economics at the time in 2007/2008), so I'm sure he's happy about that, while he cruises down the road burning gasoline in his Scion box car (probably-almost all those university professors there have those), smashing homosexual Japanese beetles on his windshield next to Charleston corn fields.



Nope, I did my usual research and don't find any connections to Oil.  A loose connection to UC Davis (home of Daniel Sperling), but not enough to cause concern.  He's just really, really, into the environment and bugs--and drinking the Kool-Aid put out by the environmental activist groups funded by Big Oil.

http://www.jg-tc.com/articles/2006/11/22/news/news001.txt

"Switzer said the responses did not name the type of pollutants the proposed plant would release. He claimed ethanol plants release carcinogens and said no amount of air pollution should be accepted. He also claimed thermal oxidizer technology lowers the amount of odor-causing compounds emitted from ethanol plants, but does not eliminate them."

Extreme NIMBY.  Doesn't make sense--he would rather have the worse air pollutants of gasoline than replacing them with the lesser polluting alcohol/ethanol?  His car releases air pollution--he should not drive according to his own logic.  Lots of book smarts (in bugs), lesser smarts in fuels and air pollution.
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« Reply #89 on: March 13, 2010, 08:15:56 PM »
I read elsewhere that the amount BP put into that "study" was $700,000. I am really PO'ed that my Alma Mater Purdue has "whored" itself out for this money with the help of the state of Indiana and the fees paying students and parents who gave T Hertl a place to office. I am not happy with T. Hertl who I contacted months ago and who had little interest in any constructive input after his last also slanted ILUC "study". Whatever happened to the old ag and engineering oriented "Land Grant University"-- the founder is turning in his grave after this man has done his filthy deed :mad:

I'll guarantee my son will not attend this school.
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Re: CA AB 118 and Low Carbon Fuels Standard
« Reply #88 on: March 13, 2010, 04:54:49 PM »
Interstate commerce clause, ya, that would be a big one. The lawsuit will come down to environmental law vs traditional law.  Is environmental law superior as in saving planet earth? If environmental law wins we would have zero influence as private citizens. Your opponents need only raise the environmental harm flag and your dead meat.

The interstate commerce ruling of Supreme court interpretation is just a power grab for Judicial branch.  You see, they bastardized this Constitutional clause to entitle themselves to just about all economic and social activity. Why would they rule against their own power base? It should be held to the original Constitution intent. If ever Congress acted in behest of citizens they should spank the Judicial and refine the law back to the original intent. Have you ever heard the term Black Robed Oligarchs. Not a good development for the country.       

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Re: CA AB 118 and Low Carbon Fuels Standard
« Reply #87 on: March 13, 2010, 03:33:08 PM »
Dangit, let'em find something they don't like about these two Kansas refineries.

CO2 from these two Kansas refineries used for enhanced extraction from old oil fields - One in Kansas, One in Texas.

http://www.gctelegram.com/News/ethanol-plant-carbon-sequestration-3-13-10

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Re: CA AB 118 and Low Carbon Fuels Standard
« Reply #86 on: March 13, 2010, 01:30:08 PM »
Yes, and they break them, and no one goes after them.  Dead serious.

Is anyone going to go after Mary Nichols, when her husband is high-power Exxon attorney John Daum?  Or actually, will anyone go after anyone, since Big Oil and their high power attorneys are standing at the ready?

So far only Growth Energy, the RFA and some Midwest supporters have teamed up with a Constitutional lawsuit against CARB.

http://www.fredlaw.com/articles/energy/energy_1001_tjg.html

"According to the LCFS, California is the fifteenth largest GHG emitter in the world, representing approximately two percent of worldwide GHG emissions. Transportation fuels are responsible for approximately 38 percent of annual California GHG emissions. A 10 percent reduction in the carbon intensity of transportation fuels is expected to reduce GHG emissions by approximately 15 million metric tons per year. As the lawsuit claims, any reduction in GHGs in California is essentially immeasurable when compared with total worldwide GHG emissions.

The Supremacy Clause of the Constitution invalidates state laws that interfere with or are contrary to federal law. All state laws in a particular field are preempted where the scheme of federal regulation “leaves no room’ for supplementary state regulation, and where they “stand as an obstacle” to federal objectives.

In its lawsuit, the trade groups assert that the LCFS stands as an obstacle to Congress’ intent in adopting the Environmental Security and Independence Act of 2007. EISA specifically exempted existing corn ethanol producers from claiming or demonstrating GHG reductions. The LCFS conflicts with EISA because it will impose limits on GHG emissions on existing plants that Congress specifically exempted.

The industry’s second claim is that the LCFS violates the Constitution’s Commerce Clause. The Commerce Clause explicitly grants Congress authority to regulate commerce among the states, and has also long been understood to limit the power of the states to discriminate against or unduly burden interstate commerce.

The Supreme Court has adopted a two-tiered approach to Commerce Clause analysis. The first tier applies when a statute directly regulates or discriminates against interstate commerce. In such cases, the courts will generally strike down the regulation without further inquiry.

The second tier is for cases where a statute or regulation is said to regulate in-state and out-of-state commerce evenly and has only an indirect effect on interstate commerce. This test, which requires the courts to balance the burdens of a state rule against its purported benefits, has become known as the Pike balancing test, taken from 1970 Supreme Court case which first applied it.

In their lawsuit, the industry groups allege that the LCFS violates both the tiers of the Commerce Clause.

First, the LCFS’ requirement that land use changes be considered in calculating carbon intensity necessarily regulates conduct that occurs almost entirely outside of California’s boundaries. Since California harvests only a fraction of the country’s corn, the land use practices that the LCFS finds as GHG-unfriendly occur overwhelmingly outside that state. The industry groups allege that this is an illegal attempt by California to extend its policy powers beyond its borders.

The groups also allege that LCFS is economically protectionist. In enacting the LCFS, CARB noted that California may develop 25 in-state biorefineries. Thus, by including land use changes in the LCFS, the groups allege that California is directly advantaging in-state growers and biofuel refiners and disadvantaging out-of-state corn growers and corn ethanol producers.

They allege that the LCFS also fails the Pike balancing test because the interest protected by the regulations – climate change – is largely symbolic, whereas the rule’s effect on interstate commerce of corn ethanol will be significant. Climate change is, by definition, a global phenomenon. One ton of GHGs emitted in California will have the same impact on overall climate change as one ton emitted anywhere else. Thus, the groups allege that given the relatively small amount of GHGs that California will avoid through its LCFS compared with the total amount emitted globally, the state’s interest is inconsequential in terms of protecting the state’s citizens against climate change.

In contrast, by denying corn ethanol access to the nation’s largest market for transportation fuels, the burden on ethanol created by the LCFS will be significant.

The lawsuit will have a significant impact on the corn ethanol industry. Because of its implications to other state GHG initiatives, it will also be closely watched by the federal government, states, other industries, and environmental groups. CARB has yet to answer the complaint."

You can bet that all kinds of legal maneuvering is taking place at CARB and that they are getting their best "indirect" support from Big Oil, and the environmental activist groups that Big Oil funds.

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Re: CA AB 118 and Low Carbon Fuels Standard
« Reply #85 on: March 13, 2010, 12:22:15 PM »
Arent there laws against conflict of interest?
Not knocking E85, but I don't need any gasoline. Thanks. Home grown ethanol works fine for me.

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Re: CA AB 118 and Low Carbon Fuels Standard
« Reply #84 on: March 13, 2010, 11:16:49 AM »
The "scientists" who were paid consultants for the LCFS study for CARB (Hertel et al) are at it again.  They worked with BP's EBI and Purdue University to publish negative indirect land use change information for corn ethanol in BioScience.  So we have BP funding ($500 million) a "biofuels" center, which puts out negative information through Purdue University (has to be trusted right--being in the Midwest?).  Then likely CARB will use this information from the same researchers as their own study, funded by oil.  No problem?

http://domesticfuel.com/2010/03/12/big-oil-behind-yet-another-biofuels-research-paper/

http://www.energybiosciencesinstitute.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=212&Itemid=145
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Re: Diesel Ignition Improvers for smoother idle and cold starts by fleebut
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Re: Diesel Ignition Improvers for smoother idle and cold starts by Obormot
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Re: Diesel Ignition Improvers for smoother idle and cold starts by 1outlaw
[July 29, 2010, 11:05:39 PM]


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[July 29, 2010, 10:40:08 PM]


Re: Trouble for ethanol (E15): House panel questions EPA by TD
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Re: Trouble for ethanol (E15): House panel questions EPA by fleebut
[July 29, 2010, 07:29:36 PM]


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[July 29, 2010, 07:06:31 PM]


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[July 29, 2010, 06:04:00 PM]


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[July 29, 2010, 11:12:50 AM]


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[July 29, 2010, 10:51:01 AM]


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[July 29, 2010, 10:48:40 AM]


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[July 29, 2010, 10:22:42 AM]


Re: Updates, additions and corrections for Nebraska stations! by BURNALCOHOL
[July 29, 2010, 10:09:39 AM]


Re: Contact Senator Harry Reid to add FFV's and Blender Pumps to Energy Bill by Dan M
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