Topic: More anti ethanol perverts (Read 920 times)

Dan M · « **on:** March 19, 2009, 05:22:59 PM »

http://albertleatribune.com/news/2009/mar/19/get-behind-ethanol-stimulate-economy/#comments

What the heck is wrong with people ..

Thumpin455 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 20, 2009, 11:07:57 AM »

Quote from: rusty70f100 on March 20, 2009, 10:23:35 AM

That's exactly what I was thinking. As soon as we leave the middle east, the price of oil is going to skyrocket, and supply will dry up. I just wish more people understood that. Unfortunately, trying to talk sense into the anti-ethanol people is like trying to talk to the wind.

I think the best thing a person can do is try to secure his own energy future. Either by making his own fuel, or helping others set up a local solution. When we pull out of the middle east, I'm sure you'll have a market.

If anyone wants to post my comments over there, feel free.

Edit: Oops, too late.

Rusty we are now on the same page... Take care of yourself first, everyone else will come to those who can to find out how when they have no other choice. Soon we will be bending over for Russia and even more for China because Russia will have the oil, and for some reason we want China to give us everything. I guess so our kids can lick lead chips. Our only recourse is to make our own energy right here, and do it both on the large scale, and the small scale.

As for solders in the mid east, well I carried far too many of them on their last trip home while on my last deployment. Some people will use that as a reason, or to make their argument a bit tougher to rebut. Not saying you are doing that here, but some people do. It makes the thought of what we are doing over there different when it is a personal experience with nameless soldiers in flag draped transfer cases. Yeah I want us out of there. I want us out of everywhere that we are not being attacked from. How many people on both sides have we killed over oil, when there is a better fuel available?

In my opinion, if you are against ethanol fuel, made right here in the USA, and you are against alternative energy and reducing our dependence on imported oil, well you are a seriously misguided citizen that needs an education. I guess they still have a right to hate the USA if they want, I just dont want to be anyone's whipping boy for energy. I already gave enough for oil, I wont give any more.

rusty70f100 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 20, 2009, 10:23:35 AM »

That's exactly what I was thinking. As soon as we leave the middle east, the price of oil is going to skyrocket, and supply will dry up. I just wish more people understood that. Unfortunately, trying to talk sense into the anti-ethanol people is like trying to talk to the wind.

I think the best thing a person can do is try to secure his own energy future. Either by making his own fuel, or helping others set up a local solution. When we pull out of the middle east, I'm sure you'll have a market.

If anyone wants to post my comments over there, feel free.

Edit: Oops, too late.

SacramentoE-85 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 20, 2009, 12:36:26 AM »

Dan, thanks for the link; I left my 2 dollars (what with inflation coming and all)...

Rusty, your point is very valid. Also, it may be prophetic. One thing that our massively growing debt will lead to is a pull back in military. When that happens the Middle East will explode and gasoline prices will go through the penthouse roof. We won't be prepared with enough ethanol, biodiesel, hydrogen, CNG, etc. and many will suffer. It will be a very hard lesson learned.

It's very simple to see. Within 2 or 3 years there just won't be a budget for the military operations, and politically the troops also will be called back. We can't scale up alt fuels quickly enough in 2 or 3 years, nor 5 years. I believe that this Middle East explosion would happen within 5 years from now. I hope I am wrong. This would make the Great Depression a mini recession. Right now we are really not that bad off, compared to how things likely could become. Just saying.

The greed of those involved with Big Oil has delayed our energy security for far too long. Only a miracle will keep the above from happening. At least we could start by pouring everything into alt fuels right now, lessening the effect somewhat. It doesn't look good when you have the CA Air Resources Board trying to prove corn ethanol worse than gasoline in terms of CO2, effectively cutting off future support for first generation ethanol here and the other 11 states interested in following CA's lead.

Dan M · « **Reply #2 on:** March 19, 2009, 06:25:09 PM »

Post it over there Rusty..flame away

Quote from: rusty70f100 on March 19, 2009, 06:05:13 PM

Morons.

How's this for an idea:

Remove the oil subsidies (seriously, all of 'em), and pull us entirely out of the middle east. ASAP. Meaning, as soon as we can get our sh*t lined up and moved out. That would save money. Then cut all ethanol subsidies. Take the money and give us some serious tax cuts. Entirely level the playing field. Then, we'll see what comes out ahead. I'm betting we wouldn't be able to produce ethanol fast enough.

In my mind, even 1 American soldier's life is not worth all the oil in the middle east. If you burn gasoline, you're not burning what you think. You're burning the blood of our soldiers.

I have more, but it would get rather political.

rusty70f100 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 19, 2009, 06:05:13 PM »

Morons.

How's this for an idea:

Remove the oil subsidies (seriously, all of 'em), and pull us entirely out of the middle east. ASAP. Meaning, as soon as we can get our sh*t lined up and moved out. That would save money. Then cut all ethanol subsidies. Take the money and give us some serious tax cuts. Entirely level the playing field. Then, we'll see what comes out ahead. I'm betting we wouldn't be able to produce ethanol fast enough.

In my mind, even 1 American soldier's life is not worth all the oil in the middle east. If you burn gasoline, you're not burning what you think. You're burning the blood of our soldiers.

I have more, but it would get rather political.