Topic: House Passes Energy Bill- requires Alternative energy Pumps

[Dan M]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/09/17/House_passes_energy_package/UPI-24451221632288/

The House passes the Energy Bill to Allow Off Shore Drilling..

But More Importantly for Ethanol supporters is it requires Stations owned by the Oil companies to add at least 1 E85 Pump by 2018 or be fined.

My personal opinion is I would much rather that E85 wasnt even allowed on Oil Companies properties..that the Oil Companies shouldn't even get allowed near E85..

BUT ..for the benefit of expanding E85 I can live with this .. This requirement should be the green light for the Auto Industry to proceed with "at least half" of production E85 capable by 2012  and also allows Independent Stations the access to the funding to install E85 at their Stations.

This is only one step .still needs to go through the Senate and be signed by the President.. Bush would sign as he actually does support ethanol to some degree

[Dan M]

ipf said the U.S. sold 522 million barrels of oil to countries such as China, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates last year.

?Right when the oil surge was kicking off and we are all getting panicked and the prices were going up, we were shipping record amounts of oil overseas,? said Zipf.

She said the U.S is on track to sell 681 million barrels of oil to foreign countries this year.

Zipf asked if the U.S. is in an oil crisis and wants to drill in protected coastal areas, why would it be escalating oil exports overseas?

?The answer is the oil companies are making more money selling it overseas than in the U.S.,? she said.
http://www.capemaycountyherald.com/article/35193-fearing-spills-groups-oppose-offshore-oil-drilling


Thats it in a nutshell..  We want more oil then maybe we need legislation that  quit sending it overseas
 The Oil Companies are simply looking to increase their profit margins and could care less about actually supplying and refining more gasoline.. The Best way to gain access to the offshore drilling is to be able to line the Pockets of State officials ..if the Republicans get their way thats exactly what will happen

Or I could be wrong and they are truly concerned the consumer is paying so much for gasoline and they want to address that by drilling for more just outside Disneyworld 

[mpersell]

Currently nearly anything that is a regulated resource in a state and the ability to process is leased to companies so that the state or federal gov'ts don't have to do all the work themselves.  These lease royalties are not bribes, they're the revenue collected by the state for the resources within their borders to be sold or managed either domestically or even internationally.

This even includes intellectual property for someplace like Rochester and the Mayo for example.

Are you saying that you want all royalties paid by the private companies who work with a state's resources to go strictly to the federal government? That is called nationalization.  If you'd like to see it in action look at Venezuela or Cuba.

You mean like they are now for water, oil, coal, natural gas, mining and crops?

So lets simply expand the bribery ?

[Dan M]

The Nations shorelines belong to the Nation..to all the People not to Florida , Not to California Etc..

Allowing the State politicians to be bribed into allowing Drilling offshore would be ridiculous and irresponsible . The Oil Companies have plenty of land and far offshore facilities already to drill on..they want the Arctic regions they want the Midwest they want all the oceans and they want just offshore ..enough is enough

If 50 Miles off shore isnt good enough for them screw them ..I have no sympathy for them because they cant come closer in

[Dan M]

You mean like they are now for water, oil, coal, natural gas, mining and crops?

So lets simply expand the bribery ?

[mpersell]

You mean like they are now for water, oil, coal, natural gas, mining and crops?

[Dan M]

The Senate side isn't about 3 miles its about royalties paid from offshore oil to only the federal side.  The House bill has no provisions for royalties going to the states (this is designed to make the bill fail because it even nixes the current offshore activity).  This bill was not designed for its results in its content, it was designed for house members to go back home and say they voted for drilling but the Senate killed it.

Thank God the Dems are controlling this or the right would allow the States to be bribed via payoffs ..err Royalties

Drill all you want OUTSIDE the 3 mile zone and no we arent going to allow States to be on the Oil Companies payroll ..

If the States start accepting Money from the Oil Companies in that manner then the corruption will run far deeper than it does today..the Dems and the Rep
that joined them are right on this issue..IMO

[mpersell]

The Senate side isn't about 3 miles its about royalties paid from offshore oil to only the federal side.  The House bill has no provisions for royalties going to the states (this is designed to make the bill fail because it even nixes the current offshore activity).  This bill was not designed for its results in its content, it was designed for house members to go back home and say they voted for drilling but the Senate killed it.

As Rufus pointed out it was not going to make it past the Senate or the veto pen because it was designed to make people look good to unwary and uneducated voters.  No state is going to allow a Senator to vote away their royalty revenue.  No state is going to allow their Senator to vote away all their offshore royalty revenue in their future as well.

Regardless of other content it was designed to commit suicide in Senate committee.

[Dan M]

OK well I'll read it closer..it just looks like a good step to get moving on getting E85 Pumps installed...

[rufus]

This bill was just a political strawman.  The votes had done been counted, and there was no way it could get cloture in the senate, much less override Bush's announced veto.

[SacramentoE-85]

Dan, except when you do give the ball up to move forward, and instead of allowing you to play outfield the others make you ride the bench.  Especially when there's $Billions at stake, there's no trusting politicians connected to billionaire privateers.  The greed only feeds on itself as they get more power and wealth, and turn a blind eye to what's truly important to the public.

Pickens has drafted his Prop 10 specifically to exclude biofuels and most hybrids.  That's not outfield...that's riding the bench.

I do agree with you though, if there's a way for us to all get to play I'm game.  I too believe CNG would eventually fail, but I just don't want it to be to the demise of biofuels.  I'm going to grab my cup of coffee, too.

Regards,
SacramentoE85

 

[Dan M]

OK ..I've had a couple cups of coffee and a little less grumpy now 

look this is why things never get done..because one side refuses to play ball because they don't get to pitch . After you have maximized your leverage it's time to get in the outfield and play with what you have instead of holding the ball hostage because you don't get your way ..the right ..this time..same thing when the left isn't in control

I am Not worried about Pickens and even welcome a little more diversity in the fuel for vehicles Market even though we all know it (NG) isn't going to gain much traction.. I don't even have an issue assisting him with other aspects of his "plan" the Windmills specifically..they create good jobs and creating clean energy ..yes he's a billionaire and should do it all with his own money but the reality is if that were the case nothing would ever get done in our society as we support every business in one form or another .despite their personal wealth

Drilling within a few miles of our shorelines ..how can that even be a consideration when we Consider Valdez and every storm oil rigs break loose and sink and create environmental "issues"  .. do we as a Country  really want the RISKS associated with Oil Rings and Tankers so close to our shorelines? Just look at how many rigs broke loose during Ike and a couple even sank

We want Cellulosic Ethanol , we want E85 pumps across the Country , We want most cars to be able to run on E85 and higher blends.. I certainly don't agree with the entire way we are going about it..but it will get us there so I am willing to lay down my opposition to some of these things as long as we are moving forward

[Dan M]

Anything we can do to get the right to quit whining ?..other than giving them the ability to screw up Americas shorelines? No freaking way should they be allowed 3 miles ..and Pelosi is in charge the right has had their chance they've held that position long enough and didnt do a damn thing . The Dems should just hold off a few months and do it without any input from the right after they control all the positions that matter instead of just 3/4ths

The States dont want Oil 3 miles from their shores ..which States have raised their hands and declared they do? The only way to get them to say yes you can drill is if you allow them to be bribe with Oil Money..which the Dems wisely included language that would prevent such temptations

The ethanol side is cellulosic ..G-O-O-D  and the ethanol side also means E85 pumps at every station

Looks like the Senate will shut it down because of the lack of revenue sharing with the states of the royalties produced.  Hidden deep in the bill is the major part alternatives equal natural gas and Pickens natural gas initiatives are all over it.  This makes sense with Pelosi has big bucks invested in Pickens plan and the bill was literally assembled behind locked doors in her office Monday night.

The ethanol side of the bill is funding for cellulosic based fuel displacement.

Rufus can you elaborate ?  I see very little other than the debate over 3 Miles the Republicans want and 50 Mils the Democrats want for Drilling..    That is the main sticking point ..after they work that out to where both sides can claim "victory" it will move forward.. as far as I can see

Sorry folks, this bill is "dead a'borning."

 

[mpersell]

Looks like the Senate will shut it down because of the lack of revenue sharing with the states of the royalties produced.  Hidden deep in the bill is the major part alternatives equal natural gas and Pickens natural gas initiatives are all over it.  This makes sense with Pelosi has big bucks invested in Pickens plan and the bill was literally assembled behind locked doors in her office Monday night.

The ethanol side of the bill is funding for cellulosic based fuel displacement.

Rufus can you elaborate ?  I see very little other than the debate over 3 Miles the Republicans want and 50 Mils the Democrats want for Drilling..    That is the main sticking point ..after they work that out to where both sides can claim "victory" it will move forward.. as far as I can see

Sorry folks, this bill is "dead a'borning."

 

[Dan M]

Rufus can you elaborate ?  I see very little other than the debate over 3 Miles the Republicans want and 50 Mils the Democrats want for Drilling..    That is the main sticking point ..after they work that out to where both sides can claim "victory" it will move forward.. as far as I can see

Sorry folks, this bill is "dead a'borning."

 

[rufus]

Sorry folks, this bill is "dead a'borning."