Topic: How does Colorado do it ? (Read 2524 times)

Dan M · « **on:** April 25, 2008, 11:16:48 AM »

http://e85prices.com/colorado.html

For awhile it seemed as if it was just the Western Convience chain that was offering the great 25-30% discount but you look around and see Kum & Go Stations , Farmcrests and Short stop stations etc... It has to start at the ethnaol Plant and from what I see they are all corn ...

Their gasoline tax is 40 cents (including fed) which is slightly higher than normal.. I looked for any tax discounts fro E85 but couldnt locate any if there are..

TinkerFreak · « **Reply #14 on:** May 20, 2008, 11:31:53 AM »

Hi, dotcom. Welcome to the board. Coors has been selling their ethanol to refineries for a while. That's why I don't mind buying Diamond Shamrock fuel. They just don't sell E85

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Article from 2005 on their production.
http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0510/25/01-358749.htm

dotcom · « **Reply #13 on:** May 20, 2008, 11:00:03 AM »

maybe it is due to the fact that the coors plant in golden produces 1.5 million gallons of 99% Ethanol from their wast products every year for use in E85. also the governor of colorado is pro E85 and alternative fuels here so im guessing there are some added incentives in colorado.

sean

furball64801 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 09, 2008, 10:12:03 AM »

Can someone talk Colorado into supplying Missouri E-85 I am sure I would love it lol.

Greengenes · « **Reply #11 on:** May 08, 2008, 08:23:55 PM »

DanM,

Nope , nothing new. As you state , prices remain good -- in excess of 1.00/per gallon

difference now, but as prices climb, that might be more the norm ...

I don't have an idea how the price can be so competitive out here. Most of the e-plants here

have sizable rail networks on site, so corn comes in by rail, but ethanol also is going out by rail.

Now if some percentage is reserved for local blending of E85, that could be it.

Also, we may be enjoying low natural gas costs for processing. We have a major drilling

boom going on now over much of the Northeastern corner of the state. Don't know how our

industrial price of natural gas compares w/ other areas of the country.

I'll be on the road to western Colorado here soon, so will make a stop at a few of the stations

there, and also in Utah.. maybe I can bug 'em(Utah) about their prices, while I'm at it..

Say , you wouldn't happen to have some business cards or something with your website

address to pass among the motoring public, would you?

Something that has the e85prices.com address & logo .... to point folks to your website...

Dan M · « **Reply #10 on:** May 08, 2008, 07:15:52 PM »

Quote from: Greengenes on April 26, 2008, 02:57:39 PM

I actually DID talk to one of the Western Convenience reps a few weeks ago

asking him what the prospects were for more E85 on the Western slope of

Colorado. He said there probably won't be much more than is in place now,

which means the 3-4 stations that are either in place, or about to be put online.

He also was quite troubled by something he couldn't exactly explain , other than

to mention it was "political".. I wonder if this is the topic mentioned in the other

post, regarding BP snarfing up all the east-coast ethanol...

I also wonder if this means the end of our spot on E85prices chart "Top 10"

Well so far pricing remians very strong http://e85prices.com/colorado.html

anything new in the grapevine..err corn stalk ?

Greengenes · « **Reply #9 on:** April 26, 2008, 02:57:39 PM »

I actually DID talk to one of the Western Convenience reps a few weeks ago

asking him what the prospects were for more E85 on the Western slope of

Colorado. He said there probably won't be much more than is in place now,

which means the 3-4 stations that are either in place, or about to be put online.

He also was quite troubled by something he couldn't exactly explain , other than

to mention it was "political".. I wonder if this is the topic mentioned in the other

post, regarding BP snarfing up all the east-coast ethanol...

I also wonder if this means the end of our spot on E85prices chart "Top 10"

Greengenes · « **Reply #8 on:** April 26, 2008, 02:33:20 PM »

I guess rather than coming out and asking 'em (Western Convenience folks) point blank

how they do it, I could try to calculate how much E85 we're talking about, and get a feel

for what % of product this represents from the local ethanol plants.

If they offer up, say 10% of their production to blending E85 , that'd be 15 M gals/yr.

+40 stations in the state now selling E85 , if each station took one tanker /week,

we'd be darn near that number already.. Could it be that easy??

Greengenes · « **Reply #7 on:** April 26, 2008, 02:12:14 PM »

THAT would be the $64,000 question..!!

Dan M · « **Reply #6 on:** April 26, 2008, 01:01:43 PM »

So considering all of that greengenes it becomes even more interesting and noteworthy that they are still able to provide such a great prices spread ..and begs the question if Colorado which needs to import (added costs) all it's grain to make ethanol can keep prices and prices spreads so consumer friendly then why aren't other Midwest States where corn and ethanol plants are aboundant not able/willing to offer as good a deal

DragonWhip · « **Reply #5 on:** April 25, 2008, 04:55:43 PM »

I stand corrected and enlighten. When I got lost where ever I was sure seemed like alot of corn, but that was 40 years ago. I'll blame it on the sometimers and weak brain cells.

Later.

Greengenes · « **Reply #4 on:** April 25, 2008, 02:56:40 PM »

I think you'll find that Colorado is a corn-deficient state. What ethanol we get for fuel is

shipped in from elsewhere. Cattle feedlots and poultry take up pretty much everything

we grow here, and then some. We're blessed with 300+ days per year of bright sunshine

which helps the corn , but have little in the way of water to support it.

Development along the Front Range is taking alot of the water now, and what was a

tenuous water situation between Ag and city populations ( and Kansas , downstream)

has now been pushed over the edge.

A significant amount of our corn crop ends up as silage, so there's no chance of eeking

out any starch content from it, at least not yet. Perhaps this will get some scrutiny now.

Of the 3 major ethanol plants now in production in the state, I'm not certain that any of

them contribute to the E85 fuel inventory... but I know there is at least one blending

terminal operation in Denver... The Western Convenience chain has done a great job

of pricing the product at a competitive rate, and forcing all the other , pretty much,

to follow suit...

DragonWhip · « **Reply #3 on:** April 25, 2008, 12:11:27 PM »

Colorado and Corn. I once thought Wi. had lots of corn, But once getting lost on a Co. plateau because there was so much corn I thought I was in a giant corn Maze, And traveling thru Iowa and Nebraska and expecting corn stands ( like kool ade stands ) would be every where to buy sweet corn and nothing. I stopped at a couple farms to ask who had sweet corn for sale and was told to go to Co. all their corn was feed corn or popcorn. So that May be how Co. does it, I had no idea how large corn production was there.

Later.